On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM Be <b...@gmx.com> wrote:
I'm generally in agreement. However, I'm not sure if mapping should
automatically detect if a 4 band EQ is loaded and react accordingly.
Users may get confused if they pick a 4 band EQ and then their filter
knob isn't filtering. I think mappings should make it an explicit option
that the user must consciously choose. This will make it a bit more
involved to set up (pick 4 band EQ in EQ preferences, then select
controller option), but the explicitness makes it clear what is going on.
+1 I agree -- explicit is much better here. Once controller scripts can
provide configuration options the experience will be much nicer.
On 01/16/2017 11:15 AM, RJ Ryan wrote:
> I'm still strongly against this idea (we discussed it pre-2.0). It won't
> work if we ever decide to move the quick effect unit somewhere other
> than below the EQs (including user designed skins that don't follow this
> convention). (worse, it will restrict us to position quick effects below
> and gain above from a backwards compatibility perspective).
>
> A skin can provide a skin-specific "preference" option, like Deere
> offers with its tweaks menu. But a skin can do whatever it wants (hide
> the quick effect knob when a 4-band EQ is present, shrink them so they
> all fit, etc.) anyway.
>
> A controller can already MIDI learn the 4th EQ knob -- so a user who
> wants to change their gain or filter knob (or whatever else their
> manufacturer happened to put in a place that makes sense) to a 4th EQ
> band can do it in a few clicks.
>
> Controller scripts can already do things like detect when 4 knobs are
> available, and repurpose the filter knob automatically.
>
> Preference options should be reserved for options that work in all
> situations (any controller script, any skin).
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:05 AM Be <b...@gmx.com <mailto:b...@gmx.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe we shouldn't add any hacks to the EQ preferences and leave it to
> controller mappings considering that this will only affect
controllers.
> This will be more user friendly when we have a better way for users to
> edit mapping options without opening a JavaScript file in a text
editor.
>
> On 01/16/2017 08:57 AM, Be wrote:
> > Setting the gain knob to the 4th EQ knob would be odd because the
gain
> > knob is typically above EQs. So, to use a 4 band EQ by repurposing a
> > gain knob, it would make more sense to remap the gain + EQ knobs
> so they
> > go in order down the controller. I don't think an option should be
> added
> > to the EQ preferences for this.
> >
> > On the other hand, filter knobs are typically below EQs, so I think
> > adding an option in the EQ preferences to use the QuickEffect knob
as
> > the 4th EQ knob could work well. This option should only appear
when a
> > 4-band EQ is loaded.
> >
> > On 01/16/2017 08:24 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote:
> >> As said, you can already build a sink with a dynamic amount of
knobs.
> >> But you cannot do this on a controller.
> >>
> >> I personally would use the gain knob. (My controller has no
> filter knob)
> >>
> >> Using a four band EQ on a controller with only 3 knobs does not
> really
> >> makes sense. So the user needs to "solve" the issue there as well.
> >> Currently he can "learn" the new EQ knobs, but it would be really
> handy
> >> to have a checkbox or something in the EQ preferences to "user the
> >> filter knob for EQ" or use "gain knob for EQ"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-01-16 13:47 GMT+01:00 Ferran Pujol Camins
> >> <ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com <mailto:ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ferranpujolcam...@gmail.com>>>:
> >>
> >> Following discussion in
> https://github.com/mixxxdj/mixxx/pull/1007
> >> <https://github.com/mixxxdj/mixxx/pull/1007>
> >>
> >> Reusing the Qick effect knob for the fourth EQ band, Is
> IMO very
> >> handy
> >> because it works for the Controller and for the GUI. The
GUI
> >> still matches 1:1 to the controller.
> >>
> >> We have also discussed to use the gain knob as fourth EQ
> band.
> >> If we consider that, we need to decouple the
> GUI/Controller form
> >> the Internal CO values from the engine and allow to set a
> >> mapping form the EQ preferences.
> >>
> >> I prefer this over scripting solution, since it will be
"midi
> >> leanable" and it do not requires to touch all mappings,
> except
> >> changing the names to the new mappable knobs.
> >>
> >> But you loose either the gain knob or the Quick Effect knob.
> I want
> >> both of them :)
> >>
> >> IMHO shrinking the knobs so they fit in the same space when
> n=4 is
> >> possible. Again, Traktor does it.
> >>
> >> Suppose that the 4 knobs can satisfactorily be fit in each
skin.
> >> Wouldn't you prefer this over loosing gain or Quick Effect
knob?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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