Son:

The small bumper '90 is often referred to as an "early '90" GLI.  I have one
in Alpine White and know of two others who do too: Dave Ingold and Akira
Sasaki, both on this list.  Mine has a production date of 12/89.  I think
Dave's and Akira's are 11-12/89 too.

HTH,

Chris Williams
[email protected]
(1) 212 449-2281


        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Son Nguyen [SMTP:[email protected]]
        Sent:   Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:35 PM
        To:     [email protected]
        Subject:        Re: gti/gli

        Patrick,

        This is the first time I've ever heard of a 2.0 16v GLI
        with small bumpers.  Is that what's commonly referred
        as the model year 89.5 GLI?  I thought 89.5 meant it
        was the same as an 89 GLI w/ 1.8 16v but w/ 10.1" brakes
        and some other goodies.  Can someone please elaborate.
        My 90 GLI is 2.0 16v w/ stock big bumpers.  I've never
        heard of a small bumpered GLI w/ 2.0 16v.  Anyone actually
        own/seen one of these?  Also, where is the added weight?
        I thought those bumpers don't really add much.  Is there
        additional weight elsewhere?

        I agree w/ your statement about getting a
        "WELL CARED FOR CAR".  I've spent almost $4,000 fixing it
        up and it wasn't an abused car or anything.  It was
        in great shape mechanically and cosmetically but needed
        all the wear and tear items replaced such as rotors/brakes, engine/
        tranny mounts, tires, radiator/thermostat/fanswitch, clutch/clutch
cable,
        shocks/springs, timing belt, shift linkage, ...  It adds up pretty
quickly.
        There's probably about $1,000 in labor you can save if you
        can do it all yourself.

        IMO, at best $3,000 will buy you is a good fairly lo-mileage
        2.0 16v car to start pouring another $3,000 into to make it run
        *almost* as good as new again.  Unless you get a hi-mileage car w/
        more than 150K miles or find an awesome deal.

        Son
        90 GLI 2.0 16v w/ big bumpers

        At 12:56 PM 2/23/00 -0500, Patrick Austin wrote:
        >IMHO, probably the best "deal" on a 16v Jetta is going to be a '90
GLI.
        >First year of the 2.0l 16v and the last year of the small bumper
cars.
        >It's lighter than the '91 and '92, probably it really isn't
noticiably
        >heavier than a '91 or '92 GTI.  Plus, its cheaper, has motronic
rather than
        >CIS-E (a bit easier to care for) and the benefit of german
construction.  I
        >personally own a German made '91 GLI and love it.  Any 16v is going
to be
        >great, but if I had $3000 in my pocket I'd try to track down a '90
GLI.
        >The '91's and '92's run a bit more because of the slightly updated
styling
        >(and added weight.  Booo!!!).   Well cared for 2.0l 16v GTI's are
also
        >going to be well over $3000, and the 1.8l cars aren't quite as
torquey
        >('87-'89 are 1.8l's).  The big thing, IMHO, is to get a WELL CARED
FOR CAR.
        >  You can EASILLY spend $1500 fixing up a car that wasn't loved...
        >
        >
        >
        >                                                 **************
        >                                                 Patrick Austin
        >                                                 [email protected]
        >                                                 (617)493-6636
        >                                                 **************

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