Actually the current golf r has a 2 liter 16 valve engine. The MK4 and 5s were 3.2. The largest the engine got was 3.2 liters vr6. The MK 6 and the 7 are a 2.0. The MK 7 has the upgrade haldex system. It will cost 35k. Is it worth it? Depends on your perspective, but it is a cool car not meant for the mass audience. New or old enthusiasts the point is we are, and we all enjoy cars. It is just a personal preference. I agree most large auto company products are Vanilla to a fault. I fully agree the current jetta is an example.
Jesse > On Sep 3, 2014, at 6:53 PM, "Charlie Russo" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Matt, I agree with you 100%. Most vehicle owners want Toasters and they are > the meat and potatoes for a car manufacturer. > Do you remember when the Jetta was redesigned a few models back and many > people said it looked like a Toyota Corolla? > That was no accident. That was VW getting into the toaster selling business. > > They also want value priced new vehicles with cheap total cost of ownership. > That has been VW's challenge the last few years. > The $100-150 synthetic oil changes just didn't/don't cut it. Then VW did > their 2 year free maintenance. That got people to buy VWs. Trouble is, after > the free maintenance is over some of these new owners are not taking care of > their VWs when it comes to maintenance. I have heard more than a few horror > stories from multiple VW Techs I know. Bottom line is DO NOT buy a pre-owned > VW unless it has COMPLETE maintenance records or you are asking for trouble. > > To be honest when VW announced a 4 door GTi with an automatic transmission I > took it as an insult to the history and heritage of the GTi name. Turns out > I was far from being alone in thinking that way according to the feedback I > received. > I also agree with you 1000% when you say "The current GTi is a very nice car > but it's more of a luxury car that's fun to drive than a fun-to-drive car > that has some nice features." Some might say that is the difference between > an old school and new school enthusiast. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Yip > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 5:48 PM > To: Volkswagen a2 16v discussion list > Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] The End of Shifting > > I believe that's called the "R" because VW keeps changing (increasing) the > engine size. That car would have been called the R36, IIRC. > > Call me an old fart but the R32 and the new R don't appeal to me - they're > soft and bloated (just like me). If I wanted a heavy, bloated wannabe > hot-hatch, I'd buy an Audi S7 - at least it doesn't pretend to be a sports > car. The current GTi is a very nice car but it's more of a luxury car > that's fun to drive than a fun-to-drive car that has some nice features. > > Remember though, we're "enthusiasts" - the market that the manufacturers > detest. We whine about wanting fun, sporty cars but won't pay a 2x premium > for a stripped down version - Porsche people do that but Porsche people are > also silly enough to believe that the Panamera and the Cayenne are "sporty". > VW has had an epiphany and a very profitable one at that - American buyers > don't want "sporty" or "fun-to-drive". Rather, Americans want vanilla ice > cream sold to them as the most special, exotic and unique vanilla ice cream > ever produced. > > Case in point is the new Jetta - it's boring as boring can be BUT it sells > because buyers can drive it without every having to say things that Mk2 > owners take for granted. No new Jetta owner will ever have to say "Just > ignore the jumping tach, that always happens when it rains" or "Don't > squeeze the door handle too hard or it'll break and fall out". VW no longer > caters to buyers who like cars, rather, they're catering to buyers who want > to drive a toaster (or a cardboard box if you like the Kia Soul > commercials). The sad reality is those buyers are the real meat & potatoes > of the market and without them, we'd be anxiously watching to see if VW was > remaining in the American market as we did in the early 1990s. > > > On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:32 PM, Holland Phillips > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The other day, I saw what I think was a Mk6 R32. Had large twin center > exhaust. Did VW make/import a Mk6 R32? > > ~Holland >> On Sep 3, 2014 1:33 PM, "Walz, Jesse" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think VW is trying to appeal to the enthusiast. The new golf R will >> make just under 300 HP and VW is hinting at a factory 400 HP special >> edition. >> >> VW makes some great cars now. I have a 2012 4 door gti that is great car >> for the money (paid 25 new). It is a very quick car making ~240 hp and >>> 290 lbs torque with just a reprogrammed ECU. I did also upgrade the >> clutch (still prefer to shift myself). The suspension is the best part of >> the car and puts a smile on my face at every turn. If you haven't driven >> a >> GTI lately (MK 5 - 7) they are very good cars. The Mk 7 will be available >> with a mechanical differential and big brake upgrade for around a $1,200 >> option early next year. So VW has not totally abandoned the enthusiast. >> >> I still love my 91 gli, which has been in a restoration the last 10 years >> (honestly working on the house and other cars, bikes etc., I will finish >> her one day). Prior to the 2012 gti I had a V8 touareg that was a great >> 5,500 lbs SUV, but 13 mpg got old. I miss it all the time. Before that I >> had a 2001 golf 1.8t, which was good/quick car and it lasted over 10 years >> before trading it in. >> >> Good to see some discussion on the old list. >> >> Constant lurker since...so long ago I can't remember when. >> >> Regards, >> Jesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: a2-16v-list [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Matthew Yip >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 4:05 PM >> To: Volkswagen a2 16v discussion list >> Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] The End of Shifting >> >> The R32 was a very strange vehicle with incredibly bad release timing. >> Compared to the STI and the Evo, the R32 is a much nicer, more refined GT >> car BUT it was compared to the boy-racers and in that comparison, the R32 >> fell flat. What was more interesting was that the R32 simply would not >> sell at dealerships - the cars languished for months because no one saw a >> reason to pay that much for a 3-door VW Golf. Only after the last of the >> cars were virtually given away did the value suddenly skyrocket. >> >> It's tough to understand what VW's goal is for the American market. After >> decades of living on the fringe, VW made a concerted effort to go >> main-stream and they've done a fine job with the current Jetta, Passat and >> Sports Luxury Utility Trucks in their line-up. Unfortunately they haven't >> made a strong attempt to go after the enthusiast market but Larry is >> spot-on - enthusiasts are a very vocal and very frugal bunch. They'll >> whine and cheese about what they don't like but they won't pay a penny >> more >> to buy the "special". >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:54 PM, Larry Velez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Charlie, >> >> We on this list are in denial that any new car is as good as our older >> cars. :) >> >> We'll have to make up TShirts: >> >> "134hp and proud of it!" >> >> But seriously that Scirroco looks cool. But I think VW gave up on giving >> in to enthusiast pressure in the USA when they they sold the R32 and they >> sat on the lot for a while. Enthusiasts talk a big game but don't vote >> with their wallets. >> >> Larry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: a2-16v-list [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Charlie Russo >> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:30 PM >> To: Volkswagen a2 16v discussion list >> Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] The End of Shifting >> >> About a year ago a friend of mine in Maryland purchased a RHD VW Scirocco >> Storm. It had been imported from England to here in Pennsylvania. >> He says driving and shifting this VDub is a blast. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Yip >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:32 PM >> To: Volkswagen a2 16v discussion list >> Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] The End of Shifting >> >> I remember reading that auto-tragic transmissions in Europe were a rarity >> although I think that's changing since the concept of a Global Market is >> such that what sells the most is what is foisted on the rest of the world. >> >> I had a Mini (not a MINI) that was RHD - shifting was easy compared to >> less complicated tasks such as finding the turn signal indicator stalk >> which was on the right side of the column. >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:25 PM, Les Noriel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Amusing. Five years ago while vacationing in Ireland, we rented a car. We >> had to pay extra to get an automatic. It was highly recommended to get the >> auto because I spent more attention on driving the opposite side of the >> road. Shifting through the gears with the left hand also felt awkward. So >> the extra money was well spent. >> >> Don't know if it's still that way today. >> >> Les >> >>> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Charlie Russo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Sadly manual transmissions in vehicles are going the way of the >>> dinosaur. >>> Current VW offerings are no exception. IIRC less than 5% of VWs have >>> manual >>> transmissions. That is a far cry from where VW was when our 16Vs were >> new. >>> >>> I enjoy manual shifting when I drive my '85 Golf on my days off or when >>> I >>> am >>> exercising my other old VWs so I consider myself very lucky. >>> >>> I plan on taking my '87 GTI 16V to the Antique Car Show at Hershey, PA >>> this >>> October. So, I will be enjoying manual shifting and talking about 16Vs >>> and >>> VWs. Last time I took my 16V to Hershey I could not believe how many >>> former >>> VW salespeople and Techs I talked with. I spoke with a few former 16V >>> owners >>> as well. If anyone here on the list is going to Hershey this year look >> for >>> me and my '87 GTI 16V in the HPOF Class in the show on Saturday. >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Larry Velez >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 9:37 AM >>> To: Volkswagen a2 16v discussion list >>> Subject: [a2-16v-list] The End of Shifting >>> >>> I am sure you all are reading in the various car rags how Porsche seems >> to >>> be abandoning the manual gear box with the latest GT3. Ferrari only >>> sold >>> 1% >>> of their cars as manuals last year. Apparently well budgeted people no >>> longer want to shift their transmissions themselves. The robots have >>> won >>> another battle. >>> >>> So enjoy your manual shifting in your 16Vs this weekend, you'll be >>> telling >>> stories to future generations of how things were in the old days. >>> >>> Speaking of shifting, Chad came by my place this past weekend and he >>> was >>> able to check out the patient in the garage (I am determined to get her >>> running this year) and I got a chance to get a ride in his Jetta GLI 16V >>> Turbo. 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