Comments?
I rather like Ryx suggestions as to the nature of
the heraldry as it goes along more with what I
originally thought and have tried to describe in
my stories. However, Alex is also right, the
heraldry has always featured a horse.
I'm sorry I haven't been more talkative on this
subject, but I'm getting packed to go to a
convention and my daughter needs me a lot.
May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
Charles Matthias
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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:16 AM
To: 'Alex Green'
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Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo
Ok. So it gets more confusing instead of
clearer. BUT A long time ago I actually chatted
with the real Thomas Hassan about what Duke
Thomas' heraldry was. He gave the following
answer A Red Rearing horse on a black
background. He deliberately chose something
like the Ferrari car emblem for the Duke. And I
have been hating him for that ever since. But
Hassan is long gone from MK and I am willing to
listen to the people who care about MK - which is us.
Chris
The Lurking Foxc
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Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo
Those are some good suggestions. However there
is one point that I must disagree with you on:
The adoption of the horse heraldry is new,
chosen after the Curse. Previous to that it
could've been anything (I know little of the
Hassan house history; griffon or drake would seem likely).
The have been a couple stories that indicate the
horse has always been a part of the Hassan family heraldry.
This sentence from "Lots" shows how Thomas
thinks about being changed to match his heraldry
The tablecloth was laced with golden thread, and
an artistic blending of the Hassan horse
heraldry hed always found that terribly
ironic after the curse changed him and the fields and flowers of the valley.
And in this scene from "Landing in a New Age",
Andwyn finds it strange that Dupré would end up
a ram like his family's symbol till Thomas
points out the same thing happened to
him. Malisa goes on to say that it's still a very rare circumstance.
It would be very unusual for the Curse to
strike in so coincidental a fashion, Andwyn mused quietly.
It happened to me, Thomas pointed out. The
Hassan coat of arms has always featured a rearing horse.
But not to any of your other vassals, Malisa
pointed out. Perhaps this is a sign to us as
well as to him. If he is truly changed to
reflect his familys sigil, then he may be meant to stay here and serve you.
I missed the above reference to a rearing horse
in my previous search, so it would seem that
Matt originally used a rearing horse as the
symbol and only later started describing it as a horse-head.
-AlexSurikat
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Ryx
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Let's try this:
The banner of Metamor itself, alone, not
withstanding of the ruling House is a castle of
three towers, below each a gate. Gray on green
(castle stone, valley green). The shape of the
banner itself is up to the tailor making it.
Duke Thomas' banner is a stallion (or just
horse) rampant dexter (rearing, facing right)
with a bend sinister (bar, crossing opposite the
rampant dexter). The banner itself is blue (for
House Hassan), the horse typically red (for his
Knighthood), but when placed on the banner of
Metamor the horse may be blue. The top of
either banner would have crenelations or
'embattled line' to indicate the fortress nature
of Metamor. The remeberance of the Tree Gates
may be included below the horse by some
symbology on more complex banners. Usually just
three free-standing castle-style arched portals
at the feet of the horse, or slightly behind
denoting that the Horse, and House Hassan, holds the Keep.
Historically blue meant Truth and Loyalty, and
red Martial arms. Since Thomas rules over a
peaceful kingdom over a conquesting one blue
would be a more appropriate
color. (<http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm>http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm)
The adoption of the horse heraldry is new,
chosen after the Curse. Previous to that it
could've been anything (I know little of the
Hassan house history; griffon or drake would seem likely).
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Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo
After searching through the archives for a
while, I was surprised to find that there aren't
very many descriptions of the banner of Metamor.
I found the most complete description at the
bottom of the third page of Misha's "Plain and Simple"
Thomas looked to the top of the ruined tower and
noticed the flag fluttering in the breeze. It
was a black flag with a red rearing horse on it.
It was the flag of the House Hassan, Duke of
Metamor, King of the Midland, his own banner.
LurkingWolf's "Burning Time" also mention a
rearing horse on the flag but neglects to mention the colors
It appears Matt is the only one who's described
it as a horse-head in both "Gazing through a
Barred Window" and "Healing Wounds in Arabarb",
but I didn't see any mention of colors from him either.
Raven didn't mention what was on the flag, but
he had a different idea about the colors of Metamor in "A Presence of Thieves"
"That isn't the Duke's banner," he said,
frowning up at the yellow flags flapping in the
breeze. "Metamor's colors are blue and white.
Why would they be flying yellow flags?"
Matt confirms that blue is a customary color of
the Hassan family in the first interlude of "The
Last Tale of Yajakali" with several mentions of
"Hassan Blue" but never actually states whether
it's the color of the banner or not. (By the
way, I just noticed that the title at the top of
every page of LOTY has Yajakali spelled wrong as "Yajikali")
The wiki unsurprisingly agrees with Misha since
he's the one who added that information on the
"Knights of the Red Stallion" page on the 16th
of January 2007 (it specifically says that their
emblem is the same as the Duke's). He also
added the emblem information to the Duke's page earlier this month.
That is all of the information I could find
relating to the flag/banner/emblem of the House
of Hassan/Metamor Keep, so it seems the it is a
red/blue rearing-stallion/horse-head on a
black/white background. I never noticed how
inconsistent its description was before.
-AlexSurikat
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:00 AM, C. Matthias
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
At 03:40 AM 2/21/2013, christian okane wrote:
That is a nice looking emblem but one small
problem. The Horse in the emblem has always been red.
Chris
The Lurking Fox
The only reference to red in the emblem that I
am aware of comes from the knightly order "Order
of the Red Stallion". Please provide other
official references (Wiki entries do not count).
May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love,
Charles Matthias
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