Okay, that sounds fine by me, but... what does each look like?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM, christian okane <[email protected]>wrote: > How does this sound:**** > > The Duke of Metamor has an emblem - with the rearing red horse**** > > THOMAS Hassan has a personal emblem**** > > And Metamor Keep itself has an emblem**** > > European Heraldry certainly was complex and confusing and had things like > that all the time. England the country had an emblem (called the flag now), > There was an emblem for the King (or Queen) of England and the ruler had > his (or her) own personal emblem.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Chris**** > > The Lurking Fox**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ryx > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:35 AM > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo**** > > ** ** > > As I mentioned, I was not particularly familiar with House Hassan as it > was prior to the curse, and am more than willing to accept the horse > heraldry as always being extant there. > > I was merely offering conjecture, based on a quick and admittedly limited > examination of Heraldry throughout history, as it may be used in the world, > both for Hassan and Metamor itself (which is only recently held under the > titular rule of Hassan). Kyia would have established her own Heraldry for > the Keep itself as that came into more common usage. She is, as ever, > malleable to the customs and wonts of her residents.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* C. Matthias <[email protected]> > *To:* christian okane <[email protected]>; 'Alex Green' < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo**** > > > > > Comments? > > I rather like Ryx suggestions as to the nature of the heraldry as it goes > along more with what I originally thought and have tried to describe in my > stories. However, Alex is also right, the heraldry has always featured a > horse. > > I'm sorry I haven't been more talkative on this subject, but I'm getting > packed to go to a convention and my daughter needs me a lot. > > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love, > > Charles Matthias > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of christian okane > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:16 AM > > To: 'Alex Green' > > Cc: 'C. Matthias'; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo > > > > Ok. So it gets more confusing instead of clearer. BUT A long time ago I > actually chatted with the real Thomas Hassan about what Duke Thomas' > heraldry was. He gave the following answer A Red Rearing horse on a black > background. He deliberately chose something like the Ferrari car emblem > for the Duke. And I have been hating him for that ever since. But Hassan is > long gone from MK and I am willing to listen to the people who care about > MK - which is us. > > > > > > Chris > > The Lurking Foxc > > > > > > From: <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex Green > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:51 PM > > Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]; > christian okane; C. Matthias > > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo > > > > Those are some good suggestions. However there is one point that I must > disagree with you on: > > > > > > The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse. > Previous to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan > house history; griffon or drake would seem likely). > > > > > > The have been a couple stories that indicate the horse has always been a > part of the Hassan family heraldry. > > > > This sentence from "Lots" shows how Thomas thinks about being changed to > match his heraldry > > > > > > The tablecloth was laced with golden thread, and an artistic blending of > the Hassan horse heraldry – he’d always found that terribly ironic after > the curse changed him – and the fields and flowers of the valley. > > > > > > And in this scene from "Landing in a New Age", Andwyn finds it strange > that Dupré would end up a ram like his family's symbol till Thomas points > out the same thing happened to him. Malisa goes on to say that it's still > a very rare circumstance. > > > > “It would be very unusual for the Curse to strike in so coincidental a > fashion,” Andwyn mused quietly. > > > > “It happened to me,” Thomas pointed out. “The Hassan coat of arms has > always featured a rearing horse.” > > > > “But not to any of your other vassals,” Malisa pointed out. “Perhaps > this is a sign to us as well as to him. If he is truly changed to reflect > his family’s sigil, then he may be meant to stay here and serve you.” > > > > > > I missed the above reference to a rearing horse in my previous search, > so it would seem that Matt originally used a rearing horse as the symbol > and only later started describing it as a horse-head. > > > > -AlexSurikat > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Ryx <<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > Let's try this: > > The banner of Metamor itself, alone, not withstanding of the ruling > House is a castle of three towers, below each a gate. Gray on green > (castle stone, valley green). The shape of the banner itself is up to the > tailor making it. > > > > Duke Thomas' banner is a stallion (or just horse) rampant dexter > (rearing, facing right) with a bend sinister (bar, crossing opposite the > rampant dexter). The banner itself is blue (for House Hassan), the horse > typically red (for his Knighthood), but when placed on the banner of > Metamor the horse may be blue. The top of either banner would have > crenelations or 'embattled line' to indicate the fortress nature of > Metamor. The remeberance of the Tree Gates may be included below the horse > by some symbology on more complex banners. Usually just three > free-standing castle-style arched portals at the feet of the horse, or > slightly behind denoting that the Horse, and House Hassan, holds the Keep. > > > > Historically blue meant Truth and Loyalty, and red Martial arms. Since > Thomas rules over a peaceful kingdom over a conquesting one blue would be a > more appropriate color. (<http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm> > http://www.oshel.com/symbols.htm) > > > > > > The adoption of the horse heraldry is new, chosen after the Curse. > Previous to that it could've been anything (I know little of the Hassan > house history; griffon or drake would seem likely). > > > > > > From: Alex Green <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > > To: C. Matthias <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > > Cc: christian okane <<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]>; "<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]" <<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:34 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Mkguild] possible MK banner/logo > > > > After searching through the archives for a while, I was surprised to > find that there aren't very many descriptions of the banner of Metamor. > > > > I found the most complete description at the bottom of the third page of > Misha's "Plain and Simple" > > > > Thomas looked to the top of the ruined tower and noticed the flag > fluttering in the breeze. It was a black flag with a red rearing horse on > it. It was the flag of the House Hassan, Duke of Metamor, King of the > Midland, his own banner. > > > > > > LurkingWolf's "Burning Time" also mention a rearing horse on the flag > but neglects to mention the colors > > > > It appears Matt is the only one who's described it as a horse-head in > both "Gazing through a Barred Window" and "Healing Wounds in Arabarb", but > I didn't see any mention of colors from him either. > > > > Raven didn't mention what was on the flag, but he had a different idea > about the colors of Metamor in "A Presence of Thieves" > > > > "That isn't the Duke's banner," he said, frowning up at the yellow flags > flapping in the breeze. "Metamor's colors are blue and white. Why would > they be flying yellow flags?" > > > > > > Matt confirms that blue is a customary color of the Hassan family in the > first interlude of "The Last Tale of Yajakali" with several mentions of > "Hassan Blue" but never actually states whether it's the color of the > banner or not. (By the way, I just noticed that the title at the top of > every page of LOTY has Yajakali spelled wrong as "Yajikali") > > > > The wiki unsurprisingly agrees with Misha since he's the one who added > that information on the "Knights of the Red Stallion" page on the 16th of > January 2007 (it specifically says that their emblem is the same as the > Duke's). He also added the emblem information to the Duke's page earlier > this month. > > > > That is all of the information I could find relating to the > flag/banner/emblem of the House of Hassan/Metamor Keep, so it seems the it > is a red/blue rearing-stallion/horse-head on a black/white background. I > never noticed how inconsistent its description was before. > > > > -AlexSurikat > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:00 AM, C. Matthias <<mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > At 03:40 AM 2/21/2013, christian okane wrote: > > That is a nice looking emblem but one small problem. The Horse in the > emblem has always been red. > > > > Chris > > The Lurking Fox > > > > The only reference to red in the emblem that I am aware of comes from > the knightly order "Order of the Red Stallion". Please provide other > official references (Wiki entries do not count). > > > > > > May He bless you and keep you in His grace and love, > > > > Charles Matthias > > _______________________________________________ > > MKGuild mailing list > > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MKGuild mailing list > > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MKGuild mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > MKGuild mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/mkguild > >
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