I'll admit i came over a bit too strongly however all my points are valid and true none the less. You must consider yourself also some sort of gamer god cos you'r proud enough to not answer my points.
You talked about showing off linux's gaming capabilities when you would be running most if not all of your games through wine or cedega. I dont know what your involvement in the maltese gaming community is but I think i'm quite aware of what games that are currently being played. Take the games being played at campuslan next week and tell me which will run natively on linux. q3 and ut2k4, will run natively but they are both old and done with now...you'll go to the lan and see ppl sharing their images on the network in order to install the games (except maybe for gian :P) since nearly no one plays them anymore. I really cant see were i treated you as a lesser mortal, however I'v been using linux for more than 5 years now and have been into gaming for even longer and have tried endless combinations in order to get gaming on linux. Bottom line was always me keeping a windows installation just to play games. You can't have your game crashing or slowing down during a tournament match. Mewt On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Jean Azzopardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Can we all rein in our egos a lil` bit, and try and cooperate here? Both > of you are making valid points. If the games are not dead, then they're > certainly outdated - no one can deny that. Just because Anton has > problems with WoW doesn't mean WoW is problematic for every one. > > Shawn Cassar wrote: > > Guess I have to intervene as well, cause if you really think you are > > the most avid gamer on the list, I'm sure you'd realise that most of > > what YOU have written is wrong. > > > > But, there is no point in me trying to correct you on several fronts, > > cause you thinking you are some kind of gamer god will make no > difference. > > > > Suddenly I realise why I stopped using this mailing list a very long > > time ago. Unfortunately with people with atitudes of yours will still > > keep seeing "us" as lesser mortals. > > > > Its time for me to unsubscribe once and for all now, and continue to > > enjoy playing many many games running NATIVELY on my linux rig (games > > which were described as dying/dead by you and also quite a few non-FPS > > games that are highly sought after) and also happily leveling my > > characters in various MMOs which according to you should crash in > > under 30 seconds via WINE. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:41:08 +0100 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni Students > > > > I know im gonna sound like a real spoil-sport but i feel that i need > > to intervene as probably the most avid gamer on this list.. > > > > YOU ARE WRONG. > > > > I know that sounds harsh but im fed up with optimists trying to make > > linux appear what it's not. It is completely pointless marketing Linux > > as a gaming platform when graphics card drivers (both AMD/ATI and > > Nvidia) are still so much lower in performance when compared to their > > windows counter-parts. What you are running are cod2 and ET servers > > which are of no interest to any gamer in Malta or anywhere. Games like > > ET and CoD2 do NOT receive regular updates. ET hasn't received > > anything for over a year and a half and the game is practically dead > > in Malta except for a few stragglers who dont have enough cash to > > upgrade their PCs. Don't get me wrong, I love both CoD2 and ET however > > the fact remains that the games are neither taxing on the hardware or > > recent. > > > > Secondly, only two of the games you mentioned has native linux > > binaries which means we will have to run them through an abstractions > > layer like Cedega or worse WINE. If you have tried running any sort of > > game through wine you'll know that performance is never as good as > > it's windows counter part and is no winning point in the argument of > > why gamers should change over to Linux. > > > > Let me make a list: > > > > ET: Old and dying, none of the remaining tournaments are giving the > > game much importance and too few clans are signing up, killing the > > game even more. However this remains a good game that runs natively on > > linux. > > CoD2: No linux binaries and has to be run through an abstraction layer > > resulting in lower performance and more problems (tried running cod2 > > original with teh cd check on anyone ?) Dead abroad, still alive in > > malta. ( Time to move on, CoD5 has been released :O ) > > Counter strike: I guess you mean 1.6 here which is very old (although > > still one of the most played games around the world) however it has no > > native linux binaries and steam support on linux has been sketchy at > > teh very best (I would know I installed it) > > Unreal: Which one ? I'm guessing you mean UT2K4 here which does have > > Linux binaries but runs with lower performance than it's windows > > counterpart (probably due to lack of good gfx drivers) Of course you > > might mean UT3 for which we were promised native linux binaries but > > were never released due to "legal issues" Also both games have really > > no value in Malta and abroad. > > Doom and Quake 1/2/3 and to an extent 4: they all share some version > > of the same engine (a very old precursor in q1/2/3) and a more recent > > one in q4 and doom3. Good games but dead in Malta. > > > > WoW: It's funny, I installed WoW on my Linux and ran it.. It ran, for > > around 30 seconds during which the game was slow and most if not all > > of my graphics settings were reduced to a minimum. Try to target a mob > > and it crashes. Love it > > > > So here I am, True Linux believer, evangelist and pure breed of Xion > > (sorry scratch the last part) but also a hardcore gamer, Manager of > > Project Eversio (http://www.eversio.info/about_us.php) and organiser > > and Server Administrator of several prominent LAN parties in Malta > > telling you that trying to show off gaming on Linux right now is a > > very bad idea. I should be at CampusLAN with my pc running Arch Linux > > (If i get xserver to run well again :O ) and I do have ET installed ( > > and i can get painkiller running also ) and we can test some of my > > points if you wish. Accept Linux for what it is, a great desktop > > system, but not a gaming OS; Not until we get proper up to scratch > > drivers that run well on Linux, and good support from game producers > > for OpenGL with native Linux binaries will we be able to show off > > Linux as a gaming platform. > > > > I rest my case and return to leveling my 71 orc Shaman. > > > > > > Mewt > > > > > > P.S. Sorry if I came out a bit strong, but i was stuck in a queue to > > get into WoW and that's guaranteed to piss anyone off... > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Shawn Cassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > First of all the games I mentioned aren't old games. > > > > In the company I work I'm one of the "heads" of our online gaming > > department. We have 3 servers (running CentOS Linux) specifically > > for COD2 players and till today we were discussing to add another > > virtual machine since we aren't even keeping up with the demand. > > > > Games like ET and COD2 have regular updates, and are highly sought > > after. My idea with the LAN Party is that - maltese gamers mostly > > play COD2 and ET. Foreign players tend to go more towards ET and > > Counter Strike and Unreal. And all these run native on Linux. > > > > Games like Doom and to a lesser extent Quake have lost their heat, > > but it shouldn't be a problem getting those working. > > ho run WoW and S > > As for MMORPG I know many people wtar Wars Galaxies via WINE, and > > EVE-Online has pseudo-native support through Cadega. > > > > The real hard part is getting a linux gaming rig in time for the > > LAN Fest, assuming that ITSA executive committe members (not lan > > admin committe like me, cause we are more or less helps) don't > > mind...but I see Mr Marc Tanti is here so he could guide us :P > > > > In true madness spirit I sacrificed my Solaris Server (which I use > > at home for self-learning mostly) and took out the HDD. So, if > > you want this PC has 4GB Corsair Dominator RAM, 2.66GHz Quad Core > > CPU and an ATI HD 25xx something gfx. If maybe during the lan > > party we could get a > 160GB hdd we could even do a demo install > > of linux and a particular FPS. > > > > We will further this discussion and other ideas at University on > > Thursday hopefully, cause I don't want to trash the mailing list > > (sorry :P ) > > > > Shawn > > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:08:14 +0100 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT <http://linux.org.mt/>] Calling All > > Uni Students > > > > > > Problem is...that "showing off" old games really isn't likely to > > > impress users, isn't it? Sure, it's a rebuttal to the myth that > > Linux > > > cannot play any games at all, but it still exposes a weakpoint > > in Linux, > > > or a lack of quality - as you prefer ;) > > > > > > Still, at least you can still get your gaming fix on Linux, > > which is a > > > good thing. I also suggest Doom 3, Quake 4, Quake 3, maybe an > > MMORPG or > > > too..WoW should also run on wine - never tried it myself though. > > > > > > Shawn Cassar wrote: > > > > Yep, agree on that, excellent idea. > > > > > > > > Also, it just struck me, the following weekend (21st - 23rd) > > there is > > > > the ITSA Lan Fest. Basically taking the idea of Ubuntu gamers > > (and > > > > SuSE gamers as well :P ) maybe we can ask some of the ITSA > > committe > > > > guys (in theory I'm part of the admin committe) so that we can > > do a > > > > linux install fest/linux gaming during the lan fest. > > > > > > > > Would be a great opportunity to actually get an idea of gamers > > and > > > > kind of games they would rather see on *nix systems. Maybe if we > > > > could get an average gaming rig (nothing big, even something > > with a > > > > 1.6GHz and a 7200 GFX agp) and put linux on it, install a few > > games > > > > (such as ET, COD2, Unreal which run natively on linux) and > > "show off" > > > > gaming on linux. > > > > > > > > I'll try to bring it up during the meeting. > > > > > > > > Shawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:03:19 +0100 > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT <http://linux.org.mt/>] Calling All > > Uni Students > > > > > > > > Yep that would also be a good possibility, I forgot about that > > (already). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with > > Windows Live > > > > Spaces. 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