The problem is... I don't know yet, what a perfect card will be and would very much appreciate some input on what it could be... Good cards catch important information in a way such that you will not end up with 1000 cards for a single 7 week course, yet still have all of the important stuff for exams and later use. Answers should also be clear-cut. That is easy with language learning as sentences and vocabulary make nice cards, but I have yet to find a simple way to structure computer science topics in "sentences", "vocabulary" and "grammar points".

Mvh.
Randi


Den 21-03-2011 14:16, George Wade skrev:
If you don't mind me asking, Randi, what would your perfect cards contain ?

I ask because mine would contain video clips, with the words to be remembered hidden in the Q and shown in the A. It could be a song, too. I use a nice font for my kanji, so that makes them graphic, they are pictures. I am unable to learn programming, so far: but might try making pictures of the txt one day. Perhaps Mnemosyne 2 will take video files?

Would it help your CS studies to get materials from a much more challenging project? You could then tell yourself that Leo da Vinci actually studied very hard: but not baby stuff for school. Doing enough real projects would cover most of what is done at school if you are lucky in choices.

G

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Randi H. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I have a theory of why so few people use it in their daily
    routines... Personally I would really like to use it for my
    official studies of computer science, but as of yet it has not
    really been a succes for me. At present I use SRS only for my self
    study of Japanese, which is less than part time due to my full
    time study and my work taking most of the time.

    Personally I'm damned lazy but also very easy-learning which leads
    to me not studying very much and still getting the next to highest
    grade in almost every exam... I know I could do the top grade if I
    took the time, and I try every once in a while but always end up
    doing everything except studying and then quick-study the day
    before exam (as today) and getting the next to highest grade...
    It's hard to do your best when your worst gives almost the same
    results.

    So as to my theory it concerns learning to do nice flash cards. No
    one ever teached me, and yet I haven't had enough practice to feel
    very good at it either. I have a hard time making the flash cards
    in the first place, which results in me ending up not making them.
    Doing the reps every day is very easy, if you have nice flash card
    which make you feel they help you remember the important stuff.
    But how to pick out the important stuff?! I don't really know.
    So start teaching people how to smoothly and easily choose what to
    put in a flash card and the good and bad forms of flash card
    instead of just presenting them with a technology capable of
    making learning efficient - I feel lost in how to make the
    creation of flash card a smooth part of my daily routines.

    Mvh.
    Randi


    Den 19-03-2011 22:09, Caio Rossi skrev:
    Hello,

    I'm Brazilian and teach English as a foreign language down here
    in Brazil. The students I have introduced SRS to like it, but
    only one or another has adopted it in their daily routines, and
    those were the more studious ones.

    Regardless of that, I use Mnemosyne wilth all of them in class at
    the beginning of each class in order to review vocabulary and
    structures, especially but not exclusively those they ask for
    while they are doing a conversation activity, as those are the
    ones they generally don't care to memorize.

    All my students recognize how important and useful that
    technology is, as it guarantees frequent review and better
    retention. And better than that: they just love it! Two of them
    even call it "The Game"...

    But there are "philosophical" reasons why that technology is not
    more widely used, as it goes against the dearest mainstream
    theories of learning and education. I believe SRS would face the
    same reaction Direct Instruction has, and DI, by the way, seems
    to be the educational theory that adapts the best to SRS - or the
    other way round, in fact. Check out:

    http://psych.athabascau.ca/html/387/OpenModules/Engelmann/

    And especially this link:

    http://psych.athabascau.ca/html/387/OpenModules/Engelmann/evidence.shtml

    Hugs,

    Caio

    On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Gwern Branwen <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Peter Bienstman
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

        > I wasn't able to easily find the metrics you are referring
        too, but I
        > personally find 100 000 a big number :-)

        I linked directly to the section, so it should've been hard
        to miss
        the table. I recently added some aggressive caching headers,
        so maybe
        a force-refresh would help.

        > I'm all for introducing more people to the SRS philosophy,
        but I would be
        > hesitant to *enforce* it in e.g. language schools.

        'code is law'. If you read my previous link, you'd see that
        SRS can be
        integrated into tests/quizzes and teaching. This is not *as
        good* as a
        user-specific deck with customized spacings, but it is a great
        improvement over current techniques. (And as I pointed out,
        this flaw
        could be fixed by any computer-based learning. The class
        could proceed
        on a crude average SRS schedule of review & learning new
        material, and
        individual students get touched up by individually-generated
        tests.)

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        http://www.gwern.net

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