I think we are far away from enabling flow on all pages in any project, but for 
mobile it would take away a lot of work to have a solution, which is working on 
mobile and desktop.

 

So far there is a TalkOverlay for all users with more than 5 edits (iirc), if 
you open a wiki page and scroll down you should see a “Discussion” button. 
Clicking that, you will see a “parsed” version of the discussions, but it is 
far far away from a good or useable way to read, let alone editing, on talk 
pages. But it’s better than nothing :) 

 

Best,

Florian

 

Von: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Adam Baso
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2015 19:28
An: Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected]>
Cc: mobile-l <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [WikimediaMobile] In-app editing / talk pages support

 

I see. Now, this is enabled on certain pages at the moment, no? Or is there a 
means of activating the Flow mobile-compatible mode with well formed URLs or 
something like that for any given <lang>.m.wikipedia.org 
<http://m.wikipedia.org>  page? Apologies, I do most of my Talk page stuff on 
desktop typically. But that said, that is a pretty nice layout on those links 
you listed!

 

-Adam

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

No, I'm not sure what does mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop do for Flow.

I was referring to rendering of Flow on mobile websites, for example 
https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:CX or 
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amire80 .

Trying it on an actual phone gives the best effect.

Though there certainly are some issues ( 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93430 ), Flow pages work FAR better on 
phones than the classic talk pages.





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2015-07-22 11:58 GMT-05:00 Adam Baso <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> >:

Amir, are you referring to use of the inbuilt "desktop" mode of Flow, such as 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki?mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop ?

 

-Adam

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

It's probably a dilettante-ish comment, but for a while already Flow has been 
working quite well on mobile web, incomparably better than the old talk pages, 
and it could be Flow's biggest "selling point". My intuition tells me that work 
to support talk pages on mobile should focus more on Flow and less on the old 
talk pages.





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2015-07-22 10:12 GMT-05:00 Adam Baso <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> >:

Moving discussion to mobile-l. 

On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Michael Holloway <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

OK by me.  

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Adam Baso < <mailto:[email protected]> 
[email protected]> wrote:

Okay to move this discussion to mobile-l?

 

I'm talking with Editing (includes VE and Flow) this morning about engagement 
model and their short to medium term roadmap, which should be helpful in your 
guys' examination of bridge/stopgap solutions for this pretty fundamental 
stuff. 



On Wednesday, July 22, 2015, Michael Holloway < 
<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:

Hey all,

 

Last week at Wikimania I had some interesting conversations about the Android 
app.  On the whole, people really like the new and improved app, but there are 
definitely frustrations with the editing experience -- from people thinking 
it's not possible to edit in the app, to uninstalling it so that Google links 
direct them to the mobile website, where they vastly prefer the editing 
experience.  Editors are a small but important group and I don't think we're 
doing them justice at the moment.  Although reading is our focus, I would 
suggest we devote some resources to improving the editing experience as well.  
(It turns out that Abbey Ripstra and the design research team are running a 
survey research study on mobile contribution experiences as I write, so I'll be 
interested to hear what insights they have to offer.)

 

I also had a conversation with Asaf Bartov, who mentioned that it would be nice 
to be able to access talk pages in the mobile app.  I'm sympathetic to this; 
most users may not care about talk pages, but they're very important to the 
editing experience, and even for savvy readers they offer useful commentary 
about what's on (or off) the page and why.  So yesterday afternoon I hacked up 
a POC patch to add a toolbar button to flip back and forth between main 
articles and talk pages.  Have a look and let me know what you think!

 

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/226297/

 

Cheers,

Michael

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