On 31-Mar-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Gunthar,
>
> Previous to reading your post I thought I was the least qualified to
> comment on the conference . . .
That was so uncalled for.
Actually it was intended to be self-depracating as well.
> Personally, a tightly focused Apache::mod_perl::conference might actually
> get me to move away from a keyboard.
>
> PS: I don't want to be a programming whore, and if I did I wouldn't
attend
> a mod_perl conference. There are plenty of conferences for that. I'd
> rather eat PB&J and develop open source while drawing unemployment, than
to
> perfect my whoredom.
Perhaps you should be a programming whore for a while. Try getting
completely
different closed source systems to communicate for a while and not only
will you
appreciate open source technologies but you'll actually be a better
programmer.
I work in a financial services firm that thinks MVS and anything Big Blue
is the cats meow,
I've been around since a 2400bps connect between to differing systems was a
major success.
I don't think lack of expirience base is the problem, however being in the
middle of a cigarette quit might have influenced my tone.
maybe I was a tad impulsive... hrmm.
Sorry -- just a tad edgy today.
Jeff<-- Backing away from the keyboard slowly hands above my head. . .
>
> CN=Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/31/2000 10:30:02 AM
>
> Sent by: Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Sent From the mail file of: Jeff Bulley
>
>
> To: Cliff Rayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Subject: Re: [RFC] holding a mod_perl conference
>
>
> You aren't necessarily the only point of view. At some points (especially
> with mod_perl), Apache tracks become interesting to attend. However, more
> often my particular job entails me being a programming whore, and so I am
> equally interested in Java, Perl, and Microsoft COM/DCOM/ASP technologies
> *especially* anything that lets them talk to one another.
>
> eg a few weeks ago I whipped up a Java SOAP (XML-RPC pseudo-standard)
> server to act as a hub to allow Microsoft and Java and Perl SOAP clients
> to talk to it for a project that require this cross platform integration.
> The project was quite simple actually, SOAP is relatively well laid out
> (for simple spec, for complex spec it's still up in the air). I ended up
> doing it myself since the developmentor folk's java SOAP server is still
> quite buggy as it attempts to implement everything (and difficult to
debug
> something that isnt open source).
>
> I guess that's getting off topic, but I frequently find myself having to
> pull cross platform knowledge out of a hat if I want to use Perl or Java
> in a Microsoft envrionment or hooking into a mMicrosoft specific product
> that a company previously purchased or invested development time in.
>
> I am interested in Python and PHP but on an architectual level.
>
> Later,
> Gunther
>
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Cliff Rayman wrote:
>
>> if you bring in all sorts of other technologies,
>> how is this different than being part of apacheCon
>> or Perl Conference?
>>
>> at least when I go to those (if i have time), almost
>> everything else at the conference has some interest for
>> me. i have only a modicum of interest in python, cold fusion
>> and the like.
>>
>> either make a mod_perl ONLY conference or stay attached to ApacheCon
>> or the Perl Conference.
>>
>> cliff rayman
>> genwax.com
>>
>> "J. Horner" wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
>> >
>> > > First of all, why holding yet another conference, the answer is
>> > > simple, we want mod_perl to be in the center of the event and not a
>> > > side project. Think about Perl Conference -- mod_perl is just a
> little
>> > > part of the Apache track. Think about ApacheCon -- mod_perl is again
>> > > just a drop in a ocean.
>> > >
>> > <snip>
>> > >
>> > > The rest are full tracks dedicated for each technology, so if I want
>> > > to learn mod_perl I'd spend all the days listening to mod_perl
>> > > speakers so when the conference is over I'll go back with a bag full
>> > > of tricks and a very good push to get me going when I'll start
coding
>> > > myself. Having a dedicated track will allow to provide all the
>> > > information that generally being skipped due to the lack of time.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I like the idea of mod_perl being the center of attention. There are
>> > aspects of mod_perl in which I am very weak. I'm wondering if this
> will
>> > fit the bill, though.
>> >
>> > In this scenario, we will have a conference with only partial interest
> in
>> > mod_perl. With all of these other technologies, we will be able to
> bring
>> > in funding and support from some big names (possibly Sun, Allaire,
> etc),
>> > but we still only have a small piece of the pie. We will have, in
> effect,
>> > a cluster of conferences. Also, we will need space for each and every
>> > faction attending (a mod_perl conference room, a Cold Fusion
conference
>> > room, a Java area, etc).
>> >
>> > Is this feasible? Will this solve the problem? I don't imagine a
> large
>> > amount of cooperation from competing vendors.
>> >
>> > Rebuttal?
>> >
>> > J. J. Horner
>> > Linux, Apache, Perl, Unix, Stronghold
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.knoxlug.org
>> > System has been up: 8 days.
>>
>>
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