I'm avoiding posting to lists I'm not a member of.
I'm not going to address any of the anonymous accusations made; anonymous
accusations are just not worth taking the time to respond to, as Jim's
noted.
I will say though that a necessary component of an open-source license is
that the code can *never* be taken *out* of the public domain. Companies
may wish to fork and create non-open-source derivatives of the tree, if
the license allows it (which GPL doesn't but the current SSLeay and the
Apache license do), but they do so at the risk of competing against free
software, a situation C2 has previously found itself in.
Aside from the heat and hype of this announcement, it appears that Ralf,
Ben, and C2 are making a good-faith effort to help make sure that there's
a framework for the evolution of the long-dormant SSLeay platform. This
is a very GOOD thing, and I hope we can get past bickering and credit
issues and make this an honest process. I am very enheartened by Ben's
commitment to be involved, despite the quite abysmal way the OpenSSL
project was announced.
It appears the project is being managed by Ralf (I can't navigate the site
in Lynx, so I am only guessing this by doing a traceroute); hopefully it
develops into a true Bazaar-style project, where Ralf shares access to the
development tree and the website with Ben, C2EU developers, and other
capable, responsible, and *legal* contributors around the world, a la
Apache.
I'll leave with: do *not* underestimate the importance of this project.
Thanks, now let's get on to business. True colors will show soon enough.
Brian
On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, jim finder wrote:
> Anonymous writes:
>
> >For the clueless or history deficient
> >
> >C2 gots its start by purloining without compensation
> >Ben Lauries Apache-SSL patches.... Sameer used these and then
> >had the fucking gall to remove source from apache-ssl
> >for the mod_ssl.c... all was rosy until Ralf releases
> >a mod_ssl.c of his design... result??
> >C2's business worlwide took a nose dive...(layoffs etc)
> >so now Sameer is trying to coopt Ralf's mod_ssl.c project
> >(mark my words if Sameer gets his way the source for future
> >verions will NOT be available no matter what he says now...)
> >I seen it happen once so now when the litte sob trys it
> >again I am blowing the whistle...(and retelling history openly)
> >how about it Sameer are you now going to Sue the Mix network:) ?
> >
> > the turds in Sameers Swimming pool
> >p.s. to the clueless Jim Finder..Happy now asshole...?
>
> No, I'm afraid I'm not.
>
> Could you offer either verifiable evidence of the above, or at
> least back up your accusation by signing your name? Either would
> be better than making an anonymous accusation that we have no
> way to verify. I'm sorry I wasn't privy to what ever went on
> behind the scene between C2NET, Ben, Ralf, Eric, etc., but
> I think I speak for most readers when I admit that I wasn't.
> Ben made a serious accusation that an important member of
> the open sources and crypto community has a hidden agenda
> to subvert the availability of open source crypto code. If it
> is false, let this stop. If it's true, then let's shout it
> far and wide, and deny them the support of the community.
> Anonymous and unverifiable accusations advance neither
> case
>
> All I've seen so far is Ben and Sameer throwing shit at
> each other, egged on by anonymous flamers, without anymone
> bothering to provider enough information for an outsider to
> decide how much of it should stick. Right now, all I can
> conclude is that there is plenty of shit to go around.
>
> Ben, would you please spell out your side of the story, and
> Sameer, would you do likewise so that we can figure this out?
> Anonymous, put up or shut up.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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