Thanks, Ron & I agree that FP issues belong on a more specific list except it has only become a problem when the SSL and need for mod_ssl enters this picture. BUT, belonging to most lists for quite a while, I have yet to find a specific list and I've never seen this issue dealt with in detail enough, and my large pile of doc printouts are mostly useless being out of date with present Apache, etc. versions.... thus, I still have this problem and even your comment proves to be true as I found out just yesterday... my only concern was that the online order forms have cgi scripts called "web bots" and I was surprised/baffled to see the forms work at all, although I haven't tested everything on the forms...
Eventually perhaps FP will catch up with the latest Apache+ssl and I will hobble along till then..... Thanks for the patience on this list even if off-topic (but not entirely).... At 12:02 PM 4.13.2002 -0400, R. DuFresne wrote: > >frontpage can be used without the extensions. At least the client can use >frontpage on his end and then push the pages out without the extensions >being allowed, though, this may well disable some of the special >scripting. Folks that shy away from frontpage tend to do so due to it's >repeated history of having security issues, though there may well be >further stability issues I'm unaware of additinally. you might find >better help on getting FP up and running if really required on the apache >list or a FP specific listing. > >Thanks, > >Ron DuFresne > >On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Server Admin wrote: > >> Andrew, thanks for your sentiments and I quite agree about the FrontPage >> frustration being shared by many of the aministrators I've discussed this >> issue. I'm really interested in "drifting away" from the use of FP as well, >> but, alas, one major domain that publishes an online tech magazine to 180 >> countries needs the assist that is provided by the FP client in its fast >> procution of html and pages with functionality... there is a tremendous >> amount of new content produced each month being an online mag. FP saves a >> lot of time on this heavy production. No need to learn html or cgi for the >> workstations... just type it and publish it...done. >> >> Thus, there is an immediate need until another way is found. Frontpage is >> running just fine at the moment on a server with Apache-1.23 (and earlier >> 1.22 and 1.20), but once trying to move to the Apache-1.24+ssl... no >> frontpage extensions. No doubt I'm missing some ingredient, but as I said >> in the previous post, EVERY install of Apache+FP version seems to be different >> >> Even is I start Apache-1.24 without ssl, I cannot load the darn extensions. >> Suspect it has to do with permissions.... but, if I knew the answer to >> that, I'd be able to fix it. >> >> My long workaround until I solve this FP thing is to run the FP domains on >> the Apache-1.23+FP and the Apache+ssl on another server using a separate >> domain which provides the secure website for processing online orders. But, >> it means forwarding the traffic from the HTTP server to the HTTPS server >> and any pages produced by FP will have to be FTP'd. For some reason, the >> order pages containing FP bots still work once loaded, even though the FP >> extensions are not loaded... kinda scares me though and is why I still want >> to find the answer to loading the extensions.... >> >> BTW, I have not been able to get /server-status or /server-info wo work >> either.... it tries to run, but answers with "you don't have >> permissions...." and I'm running ROOT!!! >> >> At 09:55 AM 4.13.2002 -0500, Andrew Lietzow wrote: >> >Dear "Server Admin", >> >RE:>>Please just a little more help from anyone who is trying to run >> >frontpage with >> >apache+ssl-1.24./2.8.8. This is maddening.... >> >--------------- >> >I'm sorry that I cannot help you but I share the sentiments of another >> >ISP--running FrontPage >> >is NOT something he allows his hosted domains to do. If they want to run >> >FrontPage >> >extensions, he simply declines hosting their pages because he needs his >> >Apache >> >server to be very stable. He shared with me recently that he hosts over >> >2,000 domains. >> > >> >Is it possible that you are trying to use a product with Apache that is >> >wasn't designed to support? >> >Perhaps you would have better luck with IIES? I don't know but I HOPE there >> >can be some discussion >> >of this on this list server. Maybe I need to shift my focus because I'm >> >missing out on valuable functionality? >> > >> >e.g. I would like to find an WYSIWYG HTML editor, but if it means that the >> >web server has to support >> >special extensions that crash the server, than how can this be a good thing? >> >Talk to me "Server Admin", or mod_ssl list. >> > >> >Fortunately, I just downloaded Apache 2.0.35, ran ./configure and it's up >> >and running on SuSE LInux 7.3 >> >with but a couple of whimpers. (I'll be doing the same on my RH servers >> >soon, but they are production servers). >> > >> >Now, even /server-status works and I had not been able to get that going >> >with 1.3.XX. It worked right out of >> >the tarball; the first time! Congratulations, Apache and mod_ssl folks! >> >(Now, if I can just apply my CERT again, >> >without a glitch....). >> > >> >So Server Admin, your statement was my experience over much of the past 16 >> >years when >> >working with proprietary source vendors....."This is maddening". >> > >> >I made a choice to join the GNU/GPL generation and I'm not turning back >> >unless I hit a block wall. So far, I wake up every morning seeing an even >> >bigger expanse of open spaces. I'm enjoying the view... >> > >> >Andrew Lietzow >> >The ACL Group, Inc. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >______________________________________________________________________ >> >Apache Interface to OpenSSL (mod_ssl) www.modssl.org >> >User Support Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Automated List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> >> .... our website: http://www.sage-one.net/ >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jack L. 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