I hate frameworks too, and i do like py3
So i make websites like this
http://code.google.com/p/appwsgi/
Just run the server script http://appwsgi.googlecode.com/files/server.py
,thats it browser will open automaticly.
wsgi platforms make your life easier, don't have to worry about
performance or processes getting stuck. Graham takes care of this. In
cgi world, its your problem. Last time i checked fcgi is not that fail
proof when something goes wrong or your program makes a mistake?
Programming should be almost identical unless you use multiple times
print statements in you cgi program witch is really bad thing to do :)
On Jun 1, 8:04 am, Graham Dumpleton <graham.dumple...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 1 June 2010 15:58, Jason Caldwell <jason.caldw...@me.com> wrote:
>
> > Got it installed... was a good guess "apt-get install
> > libapach2-mod-wsgi"... looking over your link now. Would really like to
> > test and compare performance between fcgi and wsgi. Just trying to make
> > sense of it all {wink}.
>
> Well, if you need more help, ensure you get yourself on the mailing
> list, and use 'reply-all' when replying to these emails to ensure they
> go back to the mailing list.
>
> Eventually I stop answering when people insist on emailing me directly
> all the time and not using the proper mailing list.
>
> Graham
>
> > On May 31, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>
> >> On 1 June 2010 15:50, Jason Caldwell <jason.caldw...@me.com> wrote:
> >>> On your comments; I abandoned Py3 in favor of Py2. Braincramped --> I
> >>> followed this guys article using
> >>> FastCGI:http://blogs.sun.com/oswald/entry/good_idea_python_with_fastcgi
>
> >>> Getting some amazing performance out of it too. I've been banging away
> >>> at this for 4 days straight and my eyeballs hurt... I looked at your link
> >>> but don't see instructions for installing for Ubuntu 9.xx / Apache. The
> >>> Debian link seems pretty sparse or non-helpful.
>
> >> That is because you are supposed to look at your Linux distribution as
> >> to how to use your systems packaging tools if you intend installing
> >> from binary packages. Otherwise you follow the provided instructions
> >> for compiling from source code.
>
> >> Anyway, seems you are happy with fastcgi, so good luck,
>
> >> Graham
>
> >>> I selected BOBO from here:
> >>>http://wsgi.org/wsgi/Frameworks
>
> >>> Seemed like a good one to start with.
>
> >>> J.
>
> >>> On May 31, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>
> >>>> On 1 June 2010 15:21, Jason Caldwell <jason.caldw...@me.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks. I installed mod_wsgi and the fcgi.py module... works like a
> >>>>> charm!
>
> >>>> You don't need fcgi.py for mod_wsgi. The mod_wsgi package is self
> >>>> contained and needs no third party adapters.
>
> >>>>> trying bobo now -- ran python setup.py install and wrote the simple app:
>
> >>>> I didn't suggest you use 'bobo'. I suggested you use 'bottle'. This is
> >>>> because as far as I know 'bobo' doesn't work on Python 3.X and the
> >>>> only lightweight framework that I know of that does is 'bottle'.
>
> >>>>> import bobo
>
> >>>>> @bobo.query
> >>>>> def hello():
> >>>>> return "Hello world!"
>
> >>>>> but not working. Then I found your article
> >>>>> (http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2009/08/using-bobo-on-top-of-modwsgi.html)
> >>>>> and added the following line to my hello.py file:
>
> >>>>> application = bobo.Application(bobo_resources=__name__)
>
> >>>>> however, still not working. Anything else I need to do?
>
> >>>> Yes, install and configure mod_wsgi properly. At the moment you seem
> >>>> to be configuring for mod_fcgid which is a totally different module.
>
> >>>> Suggest you start by reading pages linked in:
>
> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/InstallationInstructions
>
> >>>> Get a standard WSGI hello world program running and then try other
> >>>> frameworks.
>
> >>>>> ###
>
> >>>>> My Apache2 settings are as follows:
> >>>>>>>> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/fcgid.conf
>
> >>>>> <IfModule mod_fcgid.c>
> >>>>> SharememPath /tmp/fcgid/fcgid_shm
> >>>>> SocketPath /tmp/fcgid/fcgid.sock
> >>>>> AddHandler fcgid-script .fcgi
> >>>>> IPCConnectTimeout 20
> >>>>> </IfModule>
>
> >>>>>>>> /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
>
> >>>>> <Directory /var/www/cgi-bin>
> >>>>> SetHandler fcgid-script
> >>>>> Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
> >>>>> Order allow,deny
> >>>>> Allow from all
> >>>>> </Directory>
>
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> ...
>
> >>>>>>>> /var/www/cgi-bin/hello.py
>
> >>>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>
> >>>>> import bobo
>
> >>>>> @bobo.query
> >>>>> def hello():
> >>>>> return "Hello World!"
>
> >>>>> application = bobo.Application(bobo_resources=__name__)
>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Jason
>
> >>>>> PS. WSGI is lighting fast... totally shocked at the performance I'm
> >>>>> getting out of it.
>
> >>>> I don't know how you can say that as the above suggests you haven't
> >>>> set up either mod_wsgi or mod_fcgid properly and so nothing is
> >>>> working.
>
> >>>> Graham
>
> >>>>> On May 31, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Note, have cc'd this back to mod_wsgi list. If possible post followups
> >>>>>> there. See:
>
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/modwsgi
>
> >>>>>> On 1 June 2010 05:13, Jason Caldwell <jason.caldw...@me.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Graham --
>
> >>>>>>> As mentioned in a previous email --> love mod_python. However, as
> >>>>>>> you mentioned --> it's going away.
>
> >>>>>>> So now I'm investigating your mod_wsgi module. The read-up sounds
> >>>>>>> cool, however my dilemma is two-fold:
>
> >>>>>>> 1. I use Python 3 (for my CGI scripts -- works fantastic, but slow.)
> >>>>>>> I want to keep using Python 3.1.2, which segways into my second
> >>>>>>> dilemma;
>
> >>>>>> Based on discussions I have seen I am dubious CGI will work completely
> >>>>>> on Python 3 as various of the Python standard library modules are
> >>>>>> broken for bytes/unicode as used in CGI. It may be the case that you
> >>>>>> aren't encountering these problems however. At the moment the
> >>>>>> suggestions is that this propagates into WSGI as well. This is in part
> >>>>>> why WSGI on Python 3 is still a bit of an unknown.
>
> >>>>>>> 2. I hate frameworks. They confuse me. Python's CGI functionality
> >>>>>>> is absolutely perfect without an annoying layer (sudo-language)
> >>>>>>> above/between it.
>
> >>>>>>> So, my question is:
> >>>>>>> Can I use mod_wsgi without the lame frameworks (CherryPy, Django, and
> >>>>>>> so on)?
>
> >>>>>> Yes. The WSGI interface isn't that much different to CGI in
> >>>>>> capabilities. Instead of using os.environ you just use environ
> >>>>>> dictionary passed to application. You also need to ensure you clean up
> >>>>>> per request state and don't leave it around. If your code isn't
> >>>>>> multithread safe, you also need to ensure you use a configuration
> >>>>>> whereby single threaded process is used.
>
> >>>>>> What I suggest you do is read up about what the WSGI interface is and
> >>>>>> experiment with implementing directly on top of it. See:
>
> >>>>>> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0333/
> >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/SupportForPython3X
> >>>>>> http://www.wsgi.org/wsgi/Learn_WSGI
>
> >>>>>>> If not, is there a very *lightweight* version that works with Py3.1.2
> >>>>>>> that you know of? Or does mod_wsgi provide it's own embedded
> >>>>>>> framework which I can use?
>
> >>>>>> The only lightweight framework that I know of that advertises itself
> >>>>>> as working with Python, including on top of mod_wsgi is bottle. See:
>
> >>>>>> http://bottle.paws.de/
> >>>>>> http://bottle.paws.de/page/docs#apache-mod_wsgi
>
> >>>>>>> Recommendation/Suggestion:
> >>>>>>> I'm a seasoned PHP and Coldfusion programmer. Any chance you can can
> >>>>>>> make a mod_python2 and mod_python3 that allows Python to just be
> >>>>>>> Python -- that is; behave just like CGI but embedded? Similar idea
> >>>>>>> to mod_php -- it just works, no frameworks necessary.
>
> >>>>>> You really should just use WSGI. As I said, at the basic interface it
> >>>>>> isn't that much different.
>
> >>>>>> Graham
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