> I'll be taking your advice and not upgrading. Its good to know I will still > be able to deploy a version of my app built against 4.3 to the app store > even when 5 goes GM (Did i understand that correctly?!) >
Assuming you havn't broken anything, yes. > Lastly, as virtually all members of this group are relying on xamarin for > some info at the minute, perhaps someone who has a better understanding > (than me) of how monotouch works at a lower level could answer this... > > How long do you guys think the task xamarin has taken on would take to > complete? Is it just a case of running the iOS sdk though an automated tool, > and then just csharpafying (a new word?!) all the little bits and peices > (changing arrays to generic lists, etc...) There is the backend stuff as well - activation servers, plugins for MD, btouch etc. Most of the work, AFAIK, is the headers -> .cs stuff. I think Miguel's estimation of 3 months sounds about right, being they are bootstrapping a company at the same time. > Would it be another 3 or 4 months, or closer to 8 - 12 months? I know its a > wild guess, and im sure they have other things to delay them (setting up > business, legal issues...), but just from a coding point of view. > Last one took (I think!) 6 months with 4 people. They have a lot more people now, and all of the people have done it before, so I'd expect it to take a lot less. Look at MonoMac - that took about 4 months to do most of the Mac API's with (talented) volunteers. > Like everyone here im just treading water here, unsure of the future of > this. Still, if xamarin get this out soon, before the monotouch community > dies, it will mean a much more solid future for C# on the iPhone. > At a guess, I'd expect something around August (3-4 months). But I have ZERO inside knowledge. I'd love to see it earlier, but thats the latest I'm hoping it'll happen. Atleast before iOS 5 drops anyway! > Thanks in advance! > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Nic Wise <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'd suggest that you dont. For a few reasons. >> >> First, if we were in the situation we were in before Attachmate dumped >> the project and team, I'd expect a beta of MT within 48 hours. But the >> chances of that are zero now, IMO. I'd expect Xamarin to do it once XT >> (XamarinTouch!) is up and running, but I suspect thats a while away >> (Miguel, if you are watching, can we get an update? Anything? Even >> just "yup, we are alive....") >> >> So if you install the SDK, expect MT not to work, and expect no way to >> fix it without removing the SDK and reinstalling in the 4.3 one. >> >> Also, if you install the 5.0 SDK, and build against it, you can't >> submit anything to the appstore until it's all RTM. They will reject >> it outright (same goes for Obj-C, tho you can install both in >> parallel, not sure how) >> >> As for the device, upgrading should be fine. You can build a 4.3 >> binary (as you do now) and deploy it to a 5.x phone, no problem (based >> on past experience). HOWEVER, if the past is anything to go by, Beta 1 >> will be unstable and buggy, and you have no way to go back to 4.x if >> you need to. So either do it on a test device, or be prepared to have >> a somewhat broken phone for a while. If it's due to drop in October, >> I'd start using the betas around 1 Sept. >> >> For example, the 4.3 betas nuked battery life in B1 and B2, tho the >> later ones were ok (I _needed_ tethering, so I had to upgrade) >> >> The exception to that is if you need to support iOS 5 stuff - iCloud >> for eg. Then you need to weigh up not being able to deploy vrs getting >> new stuff done. Also keep in mind that you'll need to do the btouch >> bindings yourself, 'cos there aren't any bindings for iOS5 (again, >> thanks to Attachmate).... >> >> Personally, if I had to do iCloud stuff, I'd be doing it in ObjC for >> the moment. Any stuff you learn will translate back to XamTouch >> easily, an you get to use the new stuff right now. You can't deploy it >> anywhere except your own device until October ("fall") regardless of >> what or how you do it. >> >> Being I have production apps to support, I'm going to most likely >> install iOS5 SDK on another mac (I have a macmini as a media center), >> if at all, and just read the docs. I'm going to eave my macbook pro as >> is (including NOT upgrading to Lion), as if it stops working, I stop >> working. It's bad enough that debugging keeps breaking in MD..... and >> then stops breaking. And starts again.... <sigh> >> >> As soon as XT is out and stable, I'll move to that and upgrade everything >> else. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 01:53, Dermot O Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Or someone who's already tried it and can report back maybe? >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> This I think just God can answer, on a virgin dreams or tibetan monk in >> >> deep meditation. Or a magic monkey with 3 heads or a magic Ximian with >> >> 3 >> >> heads, something like that. I lost the voodoo script to get ingredients >> >> and >> >> compile this spell. >> >> Karl >> >> From: Dermot O Sullivan <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:21:42 +1000 >> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [MonoTouch] Should I Update to IOS5? >> >> >> >> If I upgrade my phone to iOS5 beta today, will I still be able to >> >> run/debug my monotouch apps? which currently support ios4 >> >> _______________________________________________ MonoTouch mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > MonoTouch mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Nic Wise >> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise >> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicwise >> >> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. >> http://goo.gl/IuBU >> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa >> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! >> http://goo.gl/Icp2 > > -- Nic Wise t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicwise mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. http://goo.gl/IuBU Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! http://goo.gl/Icp2 _______________________________________________ MonoTouch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch
