Just got a reply from Xamarin asking if they'd any timeline.. *Hello Dermot* *Thanks for your interest in Xamarin.* * Our intention is to have our iOS product to market within 3 months, and our Android product out within 6 months. It is possible that they could be available sooner. If you provide your email using the signup form at http://xamarin.com we'll send you an email as soon as we have more information.* * * *Thanks again*
This email has let me relax a bit, and continue on my app. I will be avoiding developing anything but a most basic, crumby UI for the minute, and concentrate on getting the backend working, then hopefully port it to C# IOS "Product" of xamarin when its released. Im not going to take up any more time asking them questions. Less time answering my questions, the more time they have to develop C# IOS! On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Natalia Portillo <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi, > > El 07/06/2011, a las 22:05, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo escribió: > > Long life to our queen! > With her power and grace and the courage of a mighty goddess, smashing all > our fears > > > Ehh thanks > > El 07/06/2011, a las 22:04, Ash escribió: > > Thanks Natalia. > > Couple of questions > 1. After installing the beta, is SDK 4.3 option to build against available > in MonoDevelop? > > > No > > 2. If I am not using XIBs, then XCode 4.2 should not be an issue. Correct? > > > In theory (I've not tested), MonoTouch will take all the .cs files and > compile to ARM assembler files, that are then assembled by the GNU AS and > linked by the GNU LD to an iPhone application. > This is more of less the same Xcode does with the .m and .c files. > > Remember that MonoTouch, apart from being a C# binding of the iOS APIs it > is first of all just a compiler. > If you do everything in code, as the compilation chain has not changed in > XCode 4, it should just work. > > Indeed, as soon as you don't touch your XIB files, it should, again, just > work. > > I again don't recommend updating the deployment machine (the one that > compiles and prepare your applications to the App Store) to be updated in > ANY case. > If you don't have another machine to update the whole chain (Xcode + iTunes > + iOS), DON'T DO AT ALL. > > I'm serious I will test the apps for free on iOS 5 just send me a code. > I think that we as a community (monotouch developers) must maintain > ourselves, as a "family", seeing how attachmate threw us to the wild. > > > Thx, > Ash > > > On June 7, 2011 at 4:43 PM Natalia Portillo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have upgraded my iPhone 4 and iPad to iOS 5 > > > > > http://girlyngeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/first-ios-5-impressions-beta-1.htmlfor > some new features not said in any docs. > > > > My two MonoTouch applications are working flawlessly. > > > > I think this testing is a requirement because iOS 5 will be out in a > month or two and we need to know what fails (if anything) > > > > Of course, installing iOS 5 requires you to have iTunes 10.5 and Xcode > 4.2. > > Don't do that in the machine you're using for development and deployment > of MonoTouch apps!!! > > > > If ANY of you are too afraid to do that themselves, or don't have enough > machines free, I'll do free testing for you, just send me > > a code for your apps. > > > > I really want Xamarin to finish their "XT" as I want to use the new > Twitter APIs ASAP. > > > > El 07/06/2011, a las 08:48, Nic Wise escribió: > > > > >> I'll be taking your advice and not upgrading. Its good to know I will > still > > >> be able to deploy a version of my app built against 4.3 to the app > store > > >> even when 5 goes GM (Did i understand that correctly?!) > > >> > > > > > > Assuming you havn't broken anything, yes. > > > > > >> Lastly, as virtually all members of this group are relying on xamarin > for > > >> some info at the minute, perhaps someone who has a better > understanding > > >> (than me) of how monotouch works at a lower level could answer this... > > >> > > >> How long do you guys think the task xamarin has taken on would take to > > >> complete? Is it just a case of running the iOS sdk though an automated > tool, > > >> and then just csharpafying (a new word?!) all the little bits and > peices > > >> (changing arrays to generic lists, etc...) > > > > > > There is the backend stuff as well - activation servers, plugins for > > > MD, btouch etc. Most of the work, AFAIK, is the headers -> .cs stuff. > > > I think Miguel's estimation of 3 months sounds about right, being they > > > are bootstrapping a company at the same time. > > > > > >> Would it be another 3 or 4 months, or closer to 8 - 12 months? I know > its a > > >> wild guess, and im sure they have other things to delay them (setting > up > > >> business, legal issues...), but just from a coding point of view. > > >> > > > > > > Last one took (I think!) 6 months with 4 people. They have a lot more > > > people now, and all of the people have done it before, so I'd expect > > > it to take a lot less. Look at MonoMac - that took about 4 months to > > > do most of the Mac API's with (talented) volunteers. > > > > > >> Like everyone here im just treading water here, unsure of the future > of > > >> this. Still, if xamarin get this out soon, before the monotouch > community > > >> dies, it will mean a much more solid future for C# on the iPhone. > > >> > > > > > > At a guess, I'd expect something around August (3-4 months). But I > > > have ZERO inside knowledge. I'd love to see it earlier, but thats the > > > latest I'm hoping it'll happen. Atleast before iOS 5 drops anyway! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks in advance! > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Nic Wise <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I'd suggest that you dont. For a few reasons. > > >>> > > >>> First, if we were in the situation we were in before Attachmate > dumped > > >>> the project and team, I'd expect a beta of MT within 48 hours. But > the > > >>> chances of that are zero now, IMO. I'd expect Xamarin to do it once > XT > > >>> (XamarinTouch!) is up and running, but I suspect thats a while away > > >>> (Miguel, if you are watching, can we get an update? Anything? Even > > >>> just "yup, we are alive....") > > >>> > > >>> So if you install the SDK, expect MT not to work, and expect no way > to > > >>> fix it without removing the SDK and reinstalling in the 4.3 one. > > >>> > > >>> Also, if you install the 5.0 SDK, and build against it, you can't > > >>> submit anything to the appstore until it's all RTM. They will reject > > >>> it outright (same goes for Obj-C, tho you can install both in > > >>> parallel, not sure how) > > >>> > > >>> As for the device, upgrading should be fine. You can build a 4.3 > > >>> binary (as you do now) and deploy it to a 5.x phone, no problem > (based > > >>> on past experience). HOWEVER, if the past is anything to go by, Beta > 1 > > >>> will be unstable and buggy, and you have no way to go back to 4.x if > > >>> you need to. So either do it on a test device, or be prepared to have > > >>> a somewhat broken phone for a while. If it's due to drop in October, > > >>> I'd start using the betas around 1 Sept. > > >>> > > >>> For example, the 4.3 betas nuked battery life in B1 and B2, tho the > > >>> later ones were ok (I _needed_ tethering, so I had to upgrade) > > >>> > > >>> The exception to that is if you need to support iOS 5 stuff - iCloud > > >>> for eg. Then you need to weigh up not being able to deploy vrs > getting > > >>> new stuff done. Also keep in mind that you'll need to do the btouch > > >>> bindings yourself, 'cos there aren't any bindings for iOS5 (again, > > >>> thanks to Attachmate).... > > >>> > > >>> Personally, if I had to do iCloud stuff, I'd be doing it in ObjC for > > >>> the moment. Any stuff you learn will translate back to XamTouch > > >>> easily, an you get to use the new stuff right now. You can't deploy > it > > >>> anywhere except your own device until October ("fall") regardless of > > >>> what or how you do it. > > >>> > > >>> Being I have production apps to support, I'm going to most likely > > >>> install iOS5 SDK on another mac (I have a macmini as a media center), > > >>> if at all, and just read the docs. I'm going to eave my macbook pro > as > > >>> is (including NOT upgrading to Lion), as if it stops working, I stop > > >>> working. It's bad enough that debugging keeps breaking in MD..... and > > >>> then stops breaking. And starts again.... <sigh> > > >>> > > >>> As soon as XT is out and stable, I'll move to that and upgrade > everything > > >>> else. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 01:53, Dermot O Sullivan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>> Or someone who's already tried it and can report back maybe? > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Karl Heinz Brehme Arredondo > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This I think just God can answer, on a virgin dreams or tibetan > monk in > > >>>>> deep meditation. Or a magic monkey with 3 heads or a magic Ximian > with > > >>>>> 3 > > >>>>> heads, something like that. I lost the voodoo script to get > ingredients > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> compile this spell. > > >>>>> Karl > > >>>>> From: Dermot O Sullivan <[email protected]> > > >>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:21:42 +1000 > > >>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>>>> Subject: [MonoTouch] Should I Update to IOS5? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If I upgrade my phone to iOS5 beta today, will I still be able to > > >>>>> run/debug my monotouch apps? which currently support ios4 > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ MonoTouch mailing > list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> MonoTouch mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Nic Wise > > >>> t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise > > >>> b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ | > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicwise > > >>> > > >>> mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. > > >>> http://goo.gl/IuBU > > >>> Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: > http://goo.gl/ePhKa > > >>> London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! > > >>> http://goo.gl/Icp2 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Nic Wise > > > t. +44 7788 592 806 | @fastchicken | > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicwise > > > b. http://www.fastchicken.co.nz/ | > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicwise > > > > > > mobileAgent (for FreeAgent): get your accounts in your pocket. > > > http://goo.gl/IuBU > > > Trip Wallet: Keep track of your budget on the go: http://goo.gl/ePhKa > > > London Bike App: Find the nearest Boris Bike, and get riding! > http://goo.gl/Icp2 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MonoTouch mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) > > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > > > > iF4EAREIAAYFAk3ujVYACgkQv/wfOsykIRTcYQEAqjgKc9E7qXknqaEhMMv4CUTJ > > PbimtML5+TzJhIXlHJwBAMGO4IkoO8Mbk+AhMgjVHodL2nwe9c2o2kA3fBo6hSw3 > > =/i0K > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > MonoTouch mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > > > > _______________________________________________ > MonoTouch mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monotouch > >
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