out of curiosity, do you have a load of static images being loaded? I
suspect they will get done before the Main loads....
eg:
public static UIImage foo = UIImage.FromBundle("images/foo.png");
might be taking up a bit of time. Clearly whatever it is can be done
in parallel, because the single CPU core speed of the 4 vrs 4S is not
hugely different, - just that the 4S has _two_ of them.
Whats the obj-c thing you are loading? maybe it's spinning up threads?
Does the console in xcode organiser show anything?
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Dean Cleaver
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Shipping the app is a bit tricky - it's made up of 5 projects in a solution.
> And I am not sure the boss would be too happy about shipping the source code.
>
> Do you have anything less powerful than a New iPad? This is on an iPhone 4
> which is no slouch, but hardly has the speed of an iPad3. I have to use an
> iPhone 4 because of the Linea Pro. I can try to do a screen capture of the
> application output screen, but I experience significant delays between the
> splash screen showing up and the app executable even being called - 12
> seconds is the lowest I have ever seen between
> "KleverLogicFlashValetiPhoneValet[874:1903] MonoTouch: Processing: 'start
> profiler: no'" and my debug output from the first line of my "Main" procedure.
>
> Any ideas what else could affect the time between those to actions? I am
> referencing an external Objective-C library - does that make a difference?
> It's not small - 2.7MB on its own.
>
> Dino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rolf Bjarne Kvinge [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 17:15
> To: Dean Cleaver
> Cc: Nic Wise; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] Executable size
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dean Cleaver
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rolf,
>>
>> I don't know for a fact that it won't load, but everything I have seen
>> recently points to that. For example, in the other issue I posted I sent the
>> application output. Sometimes that will not even get to my "Main" function
>> before the iPhone kills the process. I've seen it report only one single
>> loaded assembly before the iPhone killed it. So it seems to me the issue is
>> in loading the assemblies quickly.
>>
>> Reducing the number of assemblies has improved it. Am just concerned that if
>> the assembly gets bigger and takes longer to load, that I'm back in the same
>> boat.
>
> I just tried adding a reference to every single assembly MonoTouch ships, and
> then disable linking. The app turned out to be 107MB, and the app started in
> a couple of seconds on my machine/device (iPad3), so it is not as obvious as
> it looks at first sight.
>
> Would it be possible to get access to your app so I could try it out?
>
> Rolf
>
>>
>> Dino
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rolf Bjarne Kvinge [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 16:54
>> To: Dean Cleaver
>> Cc: Nic Wise; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] Executable size
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dean Cleaver
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Can't use LLVM in debug mode, but not using it in production either - the
>>> "experimental" moniker scares me a little.
>>
>> It's not experimental anymore. I removed the "experimental" part of the
>> description some time ago, but I just realized the tooltip still has it.
>>
>>>
>>> This is targeting only ARM7. ARM6+ARM7 in debug creates a 60.4MB executable.
>>>
>>> Release build is 9.6MB for the same configuration. Using LLVM that cuts to
>>> 8.9MB, but it's really Debug I am worried about as if it gets too much
>>> bigger, it will fail to load and thus I won't be able to debug it.
>>
>> Do you know for a fact that it will fail to load? (I'm not counting
>> the other issue you've reported where it fails to startup in time,
>> since that's a bug we can/should/will fix)
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I've seen apps >100MB (but it might have been the
>> entire .app directory though)
>>
>> Rolf
>>>
>>> And yes - it's just the Unix file, not the entire app.
>>>
>>> And I'll keep the virtual beer in mind - thanx ;)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nic Wise [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 15:22
>>> To: Dean Cleaver
>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [MonoTouch] Executable size
>>>
>>> Are you using LLVM?
>>>
>>> Can you make it only target Armv7 (not 6+7) and possibly only thumb?
>>>
>>> How big is a release build? vrs a debug build?
>>>
>>> Is the 30meg the unix exe (ie, inside the .app, there is a file...) or are
>>> you talking about the .app?
>>>
>>> outside of that, I think you need to buy Sebastian a virtual beer or
>>> 2
>>> :) He being Mr Linker and all...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Dean Cleaver
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondered if there were any techniques or methods that are known
>>>> to bloat executables? I'm concerned that my application is becoming
>>>> too large to debug, and we're not finished yet. It has about 80 view
>>>> controllers, plus data sources. Unfortunately they are for the most
>>>> part 80 distinct view controllers, so I could only trim it to 70 to
>>>> 75 at best. I've made use of inheritance as best I can to reduce
>>>> repeated blocks of code, but wondered if there were any other paths
>>>> I could follow to reduce the beast? Currently the Unix Executable
>>>> file compiled in debug mode is 30MB, and I fear it's only going to
>>>> get bigger and cause more debugging problems on the physical device (which
>>>> I need for the Linea Pro sleeve).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dino
>>>>
>>>>
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