Unfortunately I can't help you get started with the demos as I don't know where these files are anymore. They used to be in the SVN repository but they aren't in the git repository, so you'll have to reach out to valerio and tom on that stuff. I'll try and get more info from them if I can catch them on IM. Regarding the docs, that's an easy one. Well, sorta, if you consider git easy. The short version is you need to fork the mootools 1.2 codebase and make your edits to the docs. Then check them in an issue a pull request to the main repository. After that Tom or Valerio will have to approve the change and then publish it.
As for the web site and the kwiks menu, the current design was very deliberate. I think perhaps (and I am speculating here) it was a desire on Valerio's part to assert that MooTools is a developer's framework more than it is a designer's framework, and he wanted to make it simple and clean. I do miss the kwiks though. I seriously doubt that we'll see a redesign of the site in the near future, but I'll of course leave that up to Valerio to comment on. Aaron On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, csuwldcat-2 (via Nabble) < [email protected]<ml-user%[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hey Oskar, > > I love this community of people...but i do feel some of your points > are valid (I hope not one throws a freaking shoe at me for this!). > > 1. First off I wouldn't go so far as to say the docs suck, could they > be better, sure. That said, I would love to help with the docs! There > are at least 10 undocumented options/methods/functions that are > basically easter eggs I have discovered in my few years of use of the > lib. Another thing about the docs I am willing to work on is that > many of the in-docs examples show no use of many of the options > mentioned in the descriptions, the Fx base class is a prime example, > http://mootools.net/docs/Fx/Fx. Now you may say "Fx base is extended > so look to Morph and Fx.Elements"...sorry, not there either. The > upside? We can do this together, just tell me where to write! > > 2. Framework wars maybe childish, but good old fashioned competition > rocks! Think of this as a business guys, the 1.2 site is kind of like > a Ford Pinto with the the engine of a 427 Shelby Cobra, the Buyer > (read User) needs to see some chrome bumpers and hear the kickin' > sound system before buying. The 1.2 site looks are not what I think > needs a hand, but where are the cool menus of 1.1? You can Google > that shit to this day to find Kwicks and Mootools come up like > freaking cult words in reference to the 1.1 horizontal menu. > > 3. I would work to get the demos looking super slick once more, again > tell me where to write! > > Now please for the love of all that is Holy do not post back that I am > a Troll, I help others here when I can and frequently learn a great > deal from the groups (Arron, thanks again for yesterday's help!), and > of course the docs. Trolling is rarely the case when people are > saying they want to help and make things even tighter than they > already are. > > > > > On Jan 6, 10:21 am, Oskar Krawczyk > <oskar.krawc...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=0>> > wrote: > > Guillermo, shouldn't you be filling jQ forums with hater posts like > > this (note the lack of a question mark). > > > > People like you, Sir, make me sick when I think about helping the > > community. > > > > O. > > > > On Jan 6, 5:39 pm, "Guillermo Rauch" > > <rau...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=1>> > wrote: > > > > > 6. Anti-trolling plugin. > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Oskar Krawczyk > > > <oskar.krawc...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=2>>wrote: > > > > > > > Indeed, I could spare some time and take care of a few of them – not > a > > > > huge back-end guy so there's not much I could do about no. 2. > > > > > > Best, > > > > Oskar > > > > > > On Jan 6, 4:57 pm, nutron > > > > <anut...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=3>> > wrote: > > > > > Oskar, would you be willing to work on these issues yourself? > (asking for > > > > > myself, not necessarily on behalf of the dev group). > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Oskar Krawczyk (via Nabble) < > > > > > ml-user+63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=4> > <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=5>> > > > > > <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=6> > <ml-user%252b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=7>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > First of all, you all know I'm a big MT fan – I wouldn't be here > nor > > > > > > posting this if that wasn't the case. That said, let me tell you > why > > > > > > more people don't use this fantastic framework. There are quite a > few > > > > > > reasons for that being: > > > > > > > > 1. The website, sucks. It needs refining, put more exposure on > links > > > > > > pointing to various MT communities. > > > > > > > > 2. The lack of a proper plugins depo. It's hard for me to believe > > > > > > > Harald (or Valerio) will have the time to finish works on Red... > > > > > > something (sorry forgot the name and can't find the link – which > only > > > > > > proves my point). There are a few post around the net compiling a > > > > > > > comprehensive plugin list but neither of them are maintained > anymore. > > > > > > > > 3. Documentation sucks. I've been using it since day one and > still > > > > > > find it incredibly difficult to grasp. Not even mentioning that > the > > > > > > "live search" not working at all (try searching for "$clear", I > dare > > > > > > you –http://www.quicksnapper.com/oskar/image/untitled-0013). > > > > > > > > 4. Demos suck. There's absolutely no one updating them, and the > silly > > > > > > amount of them just makes me want to cry myself to sleep (not > really, > > > > > > I sleep quite well actually). It the good'ol 1.11 times, the Demo > page > > > > > > was always a super-quick way to see how stuff is being done – > just > > > > > > grabbing a snipplet and I'm on my way with coding. Now, you need > to > > > > > > download the sample code, unpack it, go through the dir structure > and > > > > > > find what you were looking for. This is bad folks. > > > > > > > > 5. GitHub sucks – and that just my personal opinion as I prefer > the > > > > > > SVN + Versionsapp.com combo :-) > > > > > > > > Again, not ranting, don't want to piss anyone off, just saying. > MT <3. > > > > > > > > Peace out, > > > > > > Oskar > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > View message @ > > > > > > > http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p21181. > > > > .. > > > > > > To start a new topic under MooTools Users, email > > > > > > ml-node+660466-1583815...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=8> > <ml-node%2b660466-1583815...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=9>> > > > > > <ml-node%2b660466-1583815...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=10> > <ml-node%252b660466-1583815...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=11>> > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from MooTools Users, click here< (link removed) >. > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > The MooTools Tutorial: http://www.mootorial.comwww.mootorial.com > > > > > Clientcide: http://www.clientcide.comwww.clientcide.com > > > > > -- > > > > > View this message in context: > > > >http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p21183... > > > > > > Sent from the MooTools Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > > > Guillermo Rauchhttp://devthought.com > > > ------------------------------ > View message @ > http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p2119056.html > To start a new topic under MooTools Users, email > [email protected]<ml-node%[email protected]> > To unsubscribe from MooTools Users, click here< (link removed) >. > > > ----- The MooTools Tutorial: http://www.mootorial.com www.mootorial.com Clientcide: http://www.clientcide.com www.clientcide.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p2119764.html Sent from the MooTools Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
