Before all this good will evaporates, let me reiterate that all you guys / gals who are saying you want to help is both much appreciated and quite welcome. At issue now is mostly that of infrastructure. Specifically, making it so that you CAN contribute to things like the demos, which are no longer part of the code repository (and thus harder for you to get your hands on). I'm still looking for Tom and Valerio to pop online. Tom just moved out here (to California) for his new job like, 4 days ago, and Valerio had some huge deadline as of a few days ago. So I'll keep this as a to-do item on my list to get them engaged on this topic as soon as possible. Don't get discouraged if it takes a few more days. It's the beginning of the year and a lot of people are still kinda getting their wheels rolling after taking a long vacation.
Stay tuned. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Garrick (via Nabble) < [email protected]<ml-user%[email protected]> > wrote: > > I just had to pop in and say this is all very interesting stuff. I'd > like to help too. > > On Jan 7, 8:49 am, "Guillermo Rauch" > <rau...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=0>> > wrote: > > > Most of the time people will be integrating the JS into other files, the > CSS > > in their own stylesheets (while also modifying them), and the images in > > their own images folders. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what > > directory structure the plugin developer chose. > > > > Here are the coding style guidelines that MooTools followshttp:// > wiki.github.com/mootools/mootools-core/syntax-and-coding-style... > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Benjamin Gonzales < > > > > benjamin.gonza...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=1>> > wrote: > > > Excuse my english. > > > > > What I propose is that mootools should provide standards for the > > > development of plugins can be. > > > - Structure of the files of the plugins, example: > > > +--fancyUpload2 > > > +---images > > > +---js > > > +------FxProgressBar.js > > > +------SwiffUploader.js > > > +---cs > > > +------fancyUpload2.css > > > +---loadplugin.js > > > > > - Convention of names. > > > - Coding Style. > > > - Between(Among) others. > > > > > Thus, it would be much easier to integrate and not as now everyone > develops > > > without rules, and everything is chaos > > > > > Benjamín Gonzales > > > > > 2009/1/7 csuwldcat > > > <daniel...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=2>> > > > > > >> Considering what you said above Arron about releasing stuff, can I > > >> email you a link to a site I have been working on that uses Moo > > >> extensively? (read: a shit ton) > > > > >> We will eventually be releasing some of the cooler Moo scripts and > > >> snippets we use on the site to the community. It isn't finished and > > >> ready to go out the door but we think it is going to make a decent > > >> market impact in it's segment. If it does succeed, we would also > > >> really like to give Moo so much deserved credit/traffic. > > > > >> Two reasons why I would want someone like you to check it out: > > > > >> 1. You have experience and are seasoned in the startup routine and you > > > >> are a pretty darn good coder, from what I have seen. > > >> 2. We have wanted a critical eye on this for a while to give us real > > >> feedback. > > > > >> Under two conditions: > > > > >> 1. that you will not publish the link :) > > >> 2. and under a gentleman's agreement that you wouldn't use core > > >> elements you see - not that you would, my team would just want me to > > >> say this mumbo jumbo :) > > > > >> Care to have a look? Just let me know where to email you at! > > > > >> - Daniel > > > > >> On Jan 6, 6:50 pm, nutron > > >> <anut...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=3>> > wrote: > > >> > This has been discussed here and on the forums and in IRC a lot. Why > > > >> doesn't > > >> > MooTools do more to promote itself? > > >> > The short version is that popularity isn't something that the dev > team > > >> is > > >> > focused on. I, personally, would like to see MooTools have a lot > more > > >> > corporate sponsorship/use, but I recognize that it's a double edged > > >> sword. > > >> > jQuery and it's team spends a lot of energy evangelizing and it pays > off > > >> for > > >> > them with deals w/ Microsoft and others. MooTools is more focused on > > > >> core > > >> > development and the dev team is apparently content to continue on at > the > > >> > current pace. > > > > >> > To the extent that I disagree with that line of reasoning I've taken > > > >> matters > > >> > into my own hands and I blog (on clientcide) several times a week > and > > >> > release a lot of the code I write (which takes a lot of time). > > > > >> > The two ways all of you can contribute to MooTools' impact on the > web > > >> are to > > >> > contribute to the core itself (via github) and to release your own > code > > >> > (something I wrote about just the other day: > > >> > http://www.clientcide.com/tools/why-you-should-consider-releasing-code/ > > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Oskar Krawczyk (via Nabble) < > > >> > ml-user+63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=4> > <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=5>> > > > >> <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=6> > <ml-user%252b63126-1947025...@...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2125390&i=7>> > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > I might have come off a bit too strong in the third message, which > I'm > > >> > > sorry for - I'm going to have to pull the very-difficult-day card. > > > >> > > Anyway. > > > > >> > > As I have mentioned before, I'm willing to participate in creating > a > > >> > > more comprehensive list of demos, and now that it's clear that the > > > >> > > Team is also willing to accept code from external sources (the > > >> > > community in that case) it feels even more motivating to do so. > > > > >> > > In regards to, what Aaron mentioned, on Valerio presumably not > wanting > > >> > > MooTools to be a "designer's framework" – I can empathize with > that > > >> > > statement/fact, but what makes me wonder tho, is why doesn't he > want > > >> > > some publicity (these are actually the words of one author I know > down > > >> > > at Ajaxian). I would presume publicity is always a good thing, yet > > > >> > > there's so little coming out of the official channels, ie. the > Blog – > > >> > > sometimes, just to see whether something's going on on the project > I > > >> > > have to go all the way to GH/LightHouse to check out the latest > > >> > > comments from the Core team members. > > > > >> > > This, again, is not a direct question (or rant, or trolling) but > some > > >> > > general thoughts that have been wondering up north. > > > > >> > > Oskar > > > > >> > > ----- > > >> > >http://blog.olicio.us|http://lasttweet.com|http://keepthinking.it > > > > >> > > On Jan 6, 10:24 pm, nutron <anut...@...< > > >>http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=0>> > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Unfortunately I can't help you get started with the demos as I > don't > > >> know > > > > >> > > > where these files are anymore. They used to be in the SVN > repository > > >> but > > >> > > > they aren't in the git repository, so you'll have to reach out > to > > >> valerio > > > > >> > > > and tom on that stuff. I'll try and get more info from them if I > can > > >> > > catch > > >> > > > them on IM. > > >> > > > Regarding the docs, that's an easy one. Well, sorta, if you > consider > > >> git > > >> > > > easy. The short version is you need to fork the mootools 1.2 > > >> codebase and > > > > >> > > > make your edits to the docs. Then check them in an issue a pull > > >> request > > >> > > to > > >> > > > the main repository. After that Tom or Valerio will have to > approve > > >> the > > >> > > > change and then publish it. > > > > >> > > > As for the web site and the kwiks menu, the current design was > very > > >> > > > deliberate. I think perhaps (and I am speculating here) it was a > > > >> desire > > >> > > on > > >> > > > Valerio's part to assert that MooTools is a developer's > framework > > >> more > > >> > > than > > >> > > > it is a designer's framework, and he wanted to make it simple > and > > >> clean. > > >> > > I > > >> > > > do miss the kwiks though. I seriously doubt that we'll see a > > >> redesign of > > >> > > the > > >> > > > site in the near future, but I'll of course leave that up to > Valerio > > >> to > > >> > > > comment on. > > > > >> > > > Aaron > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, csuwldcat-2 (via Nabble) < > > >> > > > ml-user+164628-370837...@...< > > >>http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=1> > > >> > > <ml-user%2b164628-370837...@...< > > >>http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=2>> > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Hey Oskar, > > > > >> > > > > I love this community of people...but i do feel some of your > > >> points > > >> > > > > are valid (I hope not one throws a freaking shoe at me for > this!). > > > > >> > > > > 1. First off I wouldn't go so far as to say the docs suck, > could > > >> they > > >> > > > > be better, sure. That said, I would love to help with the > docs! > > >> There > > >> > > > > are at least 10 undocumented options/methods/functions that > are > > >> > > > > basically easter eggs I have discovered in my few years of use > of > > >> the > > >> > > > > lib. Another thing about the docs I am willing to work on is > that > > >> > > > > many of the in-docs examples show no use of many of the > options > > >> > > > > mentioned in the descriptions, the Fx base class is a prime > > >> example, > > >> > > > >http://mootools.net/docs/Fx/Fx. Now you may say "Fx base is > > >> extended > > >> > > > > so look to Morph and Fx.Elements"...sorry, not there either. > The > > >> > > > > upside? We can do this together, just tell me where to write! > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Framework wars maybe childish, but good old fashioned > > >> competition > > >> > > > > rocks! Think of this as a business guys, the 1.2 site is kind > of > > >> like > > >> > > > > a Ford Pinto with the the engine of a 427 Shelby Cobra, the > Buyer > > >> > > > > (read User) needs to see some chrome bumpers and hear the > kickin' > > >> > > > > sound system before buying. The 1.2 site looks are not what I > > > >> think > > >> > > > > needs a hand, but where are the cool menus of 1.1? You can > Google > > >> > > > > that shit to this day to find Kwicks and Mootools come up like > > > >> > > > > freaking cult words in reference to the 1.1 horizontal menu. > > > > >> > > > > 3. I would work to get the demos looking super slick once > more, > > >> again > > >> > > > > tell me where to write! > > > > >> > > > > Now please for the love of all that is Holy do not post back > that > > >> I am > > >> > > > > a Troll, I help others here when I can and frequently learn a > > >> great > > >> > > > > deal from the groups (Arron, thanks again for yesterday's > help!), > > >> and > > >> > > > > of course the docs. Trolling is rarely the case when people > are > > >> > > > > saying they want to help and make things even tighter than > they > > >> > > > > already are. > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 6, 10:21 am, Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@...< > > >> > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=0>> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > Guillermo, shouldn't you be filling jQ forums with hater > posts > > >> like > > >> > > > > > this (note the lack of a question mark). > > > > >> > > > > > People like you, Sir, make me sick when I think about > helping > > >> the > > >> > > > > > community. > > > > >> > > > > > O. > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 6, 5:39 pm, "Guillermo Rauch" <rau...@...< > > >> > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=1>> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > 6. Anti-trolling plugin. > > > > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Oskar Krawczyk > > >> <oskar.krawc...@ > > >> > > ...< > > >>http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=2 > > >> >>wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > Indeed, I could spare some time and take care of a few > of > > >> them – > > >> > > not > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > ------------------------------ > View message @ > http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p2125390.html > To start a new topic under MooTools Users, email > [email protected]<ml-node%[email protected]> > To unsubscribe from MooTools Users, click here< (link removed) >. > > > ----- The MooTools Tutorial: http://www.mootorial.com www.mootorial.com Clientcide: http://www.clientcide.com www.clientcide.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/General-thoughts-on-Mootools.net-tp2118117p2125438.html Sent from the MooTools Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
