Excuse my english. What I propose is that mootools should provide standards for the development of plugins can be. - Structure of the files of the plugins, example: +--fancyUpload2 +---images +---js +------FxProgressBar.js +------SwiffUploader.js +---cs +------fancyUpload2.css +---loadplugin.js
- Convention of names. - Coding Style. - Between(Among) others. Thus, it would be much easier to integrate and not as now everyone develops without rules, and everything is chaos Benjamín Gonzales 2009/1/7 csuwldcat <[email protected]> > > Considering what you said above Arron about releasing stuff, can I > email you a link to a site I have been working on that uses Moo > extensively? (read: a shit ton) > > We will eventually be releasing some of the cooler Moo scripts and > snippets we use on the site to the community. It isn't finished and > ready to go out the door but we think it is going to make a decent > market impact in it's segment. If it does succeed, we would also > really like to give Moo so much deserved credit/traffic. > > Two reasons why I would want someone like you to check it out: > > 1. You have experience and are seasoned in the startup routine and you > are a pretty darn good coder, from what I have seen. > 2. We have wanted a critical eye on this for a while to give us real > feedback. > > Under two conditions: > > 1. that you will not publish the link :) > 2. and under a gentleman's agreement that you wouldn't use core > elements you see - not that you would, my team would just want me to > say this mumbo jumbo :) > > Care to have a look? Just let me know where to email you at! > > - Daniel > > On Jan 6, 6:50 pm, nutron <[email protected]> wrote: > > This has been discussed here and on the forums and in IRC a lot. Why > doesn't > > MooTools do more to promote itself? > > The short version is that popularity isn't something that the dev team is > > focused on. I, personally, would like to see MooTools have a lot more > > corporate sponsorship/use, but I recognize that it's a double edged > sword. > > jQuery and it's team spends a lot of energy evangelizing and it pays off > for > > them with deals w/ Microsoft and others. MooTools is more focused on core > > development and the dev team is apparently content to continue on at the > > current pace. > > > > To the extent that I disagree with that line of reasoning I've taken > matters > > into my own hands and I blog (on clientcide) several times a week and > > release a lot of the code I write (which takes a lot of time). > > > > The two ways all of you can contribute to MooTools' impact on the web are > to > > contribute to the core itself (via github) and to release your own code > > (something I wrote about just the other day: > http://www.clientcide.com/tools/why-you-should-consider-releasing-code/ > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Oskar Krawczyk (via Nabble) < > > [email protected]<ml-user%[email protected]> > <ml-user%[email protected]<ml-user%[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I might have come off a bit too strong in the third message, which I'm > > > sorry for - I'm going to have to pull the very-difficult-day card. > > > Anyway. > > > > > As I have mentioned before, I'm willing to participate in creating a > > > more comprehensive list of demos, and now that it's clear that the > > > Team is also willing to accept code from external sources (the > > > community in that case) it feels even more motivating to do so. > > > > > In regards to, what Aaron mentioned, on Valerio presumably not wanting > > > MooTools to be a "designer's framework" – I can empathize with that > > > statement/fact, but what makes me wonder tho, is why doesn't he want > > > some publicity (these are actually the words of one author I know down > > > at Ajaxian). I would presume publicity is always a good thing, yet > > > there's so little coming out of the official channels, ie. the Blog – > > > sometimes, just to see whether something's going on on the project I > > > have to go all the way to GH/LightHouse to check out the latest > > > comments from the Core team members. > > > > > This, again, is not a direct question (or rant, or trolling) but some > > > general thoughts that have been wondering up north. > > > > > Oskar > > > > > ----- > > >http://blog.olicio.us|http://lasttweet.com|http://keepthinking.it > > > > > On Jan 6, 10:24 pm, nutron <anut...@...< > http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=0>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Unfortunately I can't help you get started with the demos as I don't > know > > > > > > where these files are anymore. They used to be in the SVN repository > but > > > > they aren't in the git repository, so you'll have to reach out to > valerio > > > > > > and tom on that stuff. I'll try and get more info from them if I can > > > catch > > > > them on IM. > > > > Regarding the docs, that's an easy one. Well, sorta, if you consider > git > > > > easy. The short version is you need to fork the mootools 1.2 codebase > and > > > > > > make your edits to the docs. Then check them in an issue a pull > request > > > to > > > > the main repository. After that Tom or Valerio will have to approve > the > > > > change and then publish it. > > > > > > As for the web site and the kwiks menu, the current design was very > > > > deliberate. I think perhaps (and I am speculating here) it was a > desire > > > on > > > > Valerio's part to assert that MooTools is a developer's framework > more > > > than > > > > it is a designer's framework, and he wanted to make it simple and > clean. > > > I > > > > do miss the kwiks though. I seriously doubt that we'll see a redesign > of > > > the > > > > site in the near future, but I'll of course leave that up to Valerio > to > > > > comment on. > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, csuwldcat-2 (via Nabble) < > > > > ml-user+164628-370837...@...< > http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=1> > > > <ml-user%2b164628-370837...@...< > http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2120381&i=2>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Oskar, > > > > > > > I love this community of people...but i do feel some of your points > > > > > are valid (I hope not one throws a freaking shoe at me for this!). > > > > > > > 1. First off I wouldn't go so far as to say the docs suck, could > they > > > > > be better, sure. That said, I would love to help with the docs! > There > > > > > are at least 10 undocumented options/methods/functions that are > > > > > basically easter eggs I have discovered in my few years of use of > the > > > > > lib. Another thing about the docs I am willing to work on is that > > > > > many of the in-docs examples show no use of many of the options > > > > > mentioned in the descriptions, the Fx base class is a prime > example, > > > > >http://mootools.net/docs/Fx/Fx. Now you may say "Fx base is > extended > > > > > so look to Morph and Fx.Elements"...sorry, not there either. The > > > > > upside? We can do this together, just tell me where to write! > > > > > > > 2. Framework wars maybe childish, but good old fashioned > competition > > > > > rocks! Think of this as a business guys, the 1.2 site is kind of > like > > > > > a Ford Pinto with the the engine of a 427 Shelby Cobra, the Buyer > > > > > (read User) needs to see some chrome bumpers and hear the kickin' > > > > > sound system before buying. The 1.2 site looks are not what I > think > > > > > needs a hand, but where are the cool menus of 1.1? You can Google > > > > > that shit to this day to find Kwicks and Mootools come up like > > > > > freaking cult words in reference to the 1.1 horizontal menu. > > > > > > > 3. I would work to get the demos looking super slick once more, > again > > > > > tell me where to write! > > > > > > > Now please for the love of all that is Holy do not post back that I > am > > > > > a Troll, I help others here when I can and frequently learn a great > > > > > deal from the groups (Arron, thanks again for yesterday's help!), > and > > > > > of course the docs. Trolling is rarely the case when people are > > > > > saying they want to help and make things even tighter than they > > > > > already are. > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 10:21 am, Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=0>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Guillermo, shouldn't you be filling jQ forums with hater posts > like > > > > > > this (note the lack of a question mark). > > > > > > > > People like you, Sir, make me sick when I think about helping the > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > O. > > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 5:39 pm, "Guillermo Rauch" <rau...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=1>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > 6. Anti-trolling plugin. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Oskar Krawczyk <oskar.krawc...@ > > > ...<http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=2 > >>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, I could spare some time and take care of a few of > them – > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > huge back-end guy so there's not much I could do about no. 2. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Oskar > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 4:57 pm, nutron <anut...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=3>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oskar, would you be willing to work on these issues > yourself? > > > > > (asking for > > > > > > > > > myself, not necessarily on behalf of the dev group). > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Oskar Krawczyk (via Nabble) > < > > > > > > > > > ml-user+63126-1947025...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=4> > > > > > <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=5>> > > > > > > > > > > <ml-user%2b63126-1947025...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=6> > > > > > <ml-user%252b63126-1947025...@...< > > >http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2119056&i=7>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, you all know I'm a big MT fan – I wouldn't > be > > > here > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > posting this if that wasn't the case. That said, let me > tell > > > you > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > more people don't use this fantastic framework. There are > > > quite a > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > reasons for that being: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The website, sucks. It needs refining, put more > exposure > > > on > > > > > links > > > > > > > > > > pointing to various MT communities. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The lack of a proper plugins depo. It's hard for me to > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald (or Valerio) will have the time to finish works on > > > Red... > > > > > > > > > > something (sorry forgot the name and can't find the link > – > > > which > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > proves my point). There are a few post around the net > > > compiling a > > > > > > > > > > > > comprehensive plugin list but neither of them are > maintained > > > > > anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Documentation sucks. I've been using it since day one > and > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > find it incredibly difficult to grasp. Not even > mentioning > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > "live search" not working at all (try searching for > "$clear", > > > I > > > > > dare > > > > > > > > > > you – > http://www.quicksnapper.com/oskar/image/untitled-0013). > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Demos suck. There's absolutely no one updating them, > and > > > the > > > > > silly > > > > > > > > > > amount of them just makes me want to cry myself to sleep > (not > > > > > > > really, > > > > > > > > > > I sleep quite well actually). It the good'ol 1.11 times, > the > > > Demo > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > was always a super-quick way to see how stuff is being > done – > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > grabbing a snipplet and I'm on my way with coding. Now, > you > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > download the sample code, unpack it, go through the dir > > > structure > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > find what you were looking for. This is bad folks. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. GitHub sucks – and that just my personal opinion as I > > > prefer > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > SVN + Versionsapp.com combo :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- Benjamín Gonzales Blog personal: http://codigolinea.com
