It is impossible not to have a *tremendous* amount of respect for Aaron.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Aaron Newton <[email protected]> wrote:
> csuwildcat (or would you prefer we call you daniel?), I don't think this is
> quite the right attitude to take about jQuery. jQuery has done something
> that no one else has: they've made interactive sites something that the
> masses can now produce, and that makes the web better. We all borrow and
> steal from each other - there's jQuery in MooTools
> ($$('a').addEvent('click', fn).setStyles(...).inject(...), etc). and
> Prototype in MooTools, and lots of other stuff. So arguing that they are
> ripping people off is missing the point (and, btw, I don't think they are).
> jQuery makes it possible for non-programmers to get interested in JavaScript
> and to make their sites more interesting, and that's a good thing.
> If you remember learning your first programming language no doubt you'll
> recall what a fun and eye-opening experience it was. You probably don't
> still use that language today, but even if you do, you've grown and learned
> good practices by now. jQuery is the gateway language for a lot of people.
> I'm happy to see so many people playing with JavaScript. It makes our world
> more interesting, if you ask me.
>
> At some point, people who come to jQuery who are interested in JavaScript
> as a language will go beyond it. They may find MooTools, or Dojo, or
> Prototype, or write their own framework. But for many, jQuery will be the
> reason they got here in the first place. I do not begrudge them their
> popularity. In a way, they are doing work that we have chosen not to: they
> are exposing newbs to the power of client side development, which is
> something that the MooTools community has never attempted to do and
> generally suffers through when we have to.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:09 AM, csuwldcat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am seeing more and more that graphic designers and newbies to
>> javascript are moving in droves to jQuery. What is distressing is
>> that they all see some jPlugin that another library user originally
>> made (most likely some Prototype or Mootools one from way back) and
>> think it is jQuery the library hard at work "innovating on the client-
>> side", laughable at best. Makes me wonder if the crowd of jSheep are
>> the same folks that saw IE7 for the first time and thought "Oh my god,
>> tabs in a browser! It's a first!". The organized, OO nature of
>> Mootools just curb-stomps all comers in my experiences coding for
>> complex apps.
>>
>> I hope this new breed of jDevelopers stop regurgitating jPlugins that
>> are copies of other library users' works, then receiving praise for
>> the "Brand New" cool thing they made.
>>
>> That said, I have a new jQuery plugin I wrote called jMilliVanilli.
>> It takes plugins and snippets from other libraries and creates carbon
>> copies of the work. Each jMilliVanilli copycat plugin comes with all
>> the appropriate jBranding, jSlogans, and jHype. For a small PayPal
>> donation, I will also send you a 16oz bottle of jKoolaid for all those
>> times you feel yourself starting to think outside of the jBox.
>>
>> jSincerely,
>>
>> Me
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 8:30 am, Aaron Newton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > let me get this straight.
>> > someone wrote some plugins for jquery, put them all together (on a nice
>> > site), and named it jQuery Tools. It has 6 flexible plugins:
>> >
>> > tabs, custom scroll bars, tips, flash embedding, overlay.
>> >
>> > http://clientcide.com/docs/Layout/TabSwapper
>> >
>> > http://clientcide.com/docs/Layout/MooScroller
>> >
>> > http://mootools.net/docs/more/Interface/Tips
>> >
>> > http://mootools.net/docs/core/Utilities/Swiff
>> >
>> > http://clientcide.com/docs/UI/Modalizer
>> >
>> > 2009/9/28 Fábio M. Costa <[email protected]>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Thats not a problem.
>> > > People are working on some UIs out there using mootools, youll see
>> some
>> > > news about these shortly.
>> >
>> > > --
>> > > Fábio Miranda Costa
>> > > Solucione Sistemas
>> > > Engenheiro de interface
>> >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM, limodou <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Oskar Krawczyk
>> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > Old news.
>> >
>> > >> > Also, this is a MooTools Group not jQ.
>> >
>> > >> yes I know, but maybe we can learn something from it. I send this
>> > >> email just want to see what can we learn from it. I also used jquery
>> > >> before, but now I turn to mootools, I think mootools is more suit for
>> > >> me.
>> >
>> > >> --
>> > >> I like python!
>> > >> UliPad <<The Python Editor>>:http://code.google.com/p/ulipad/
>> > >> UliWeb <<simple web framework>>:http://uliwebproject.appspot.com
>> > >> My Blog:http://hi.baidu.com/limodou
>>
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