I just don't feel that it is anywhere near as simple as you might
think to somebody who has no experience in: python, Django or server
administration.
Django and similar frameworks do have an enormous hump for many.
Believe me, it's worth it.
Again, I don't do anything in Django but I know it's really similar to
Rails. I can do stuff in rails in 10 minutes what took me 10 days in
php. It'll be worth your time to figure it out.
Ryan Florence
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On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:22 AM, cbolson wrote:
So far the only reason behind having mooshell in PHP is that it is
easier to
code with.
And that is why it makes sense to me :)
I also can't see any reason why it couldn't equally be developed in
Haskell.... or Java, RoR, Keppler, Perl, Fortran (eeeh no - take it
back- no
Fortran), name it. But I see the reason why it was done in Django.
I like it
that way.
Absolutely, I wasn't trying to suggest that it *should* be programed
in php, only that it would be possible.
The only reason *I* would like it in php is that *I* could jump in and
take a look at it easily without having to learn a new language.
I'm not here to convince anyone to Django, but I see no point in
rewriting
the whole tool to a different language just because it is easier to
someone.
Of course not, I don't think that anyone was suggesting that you
did :)
Installation is now a step by step
process:http://wiki.github.com/zalun/mooshell/installation
I have taken a look at that and must admit to not having understood
pretty much any of it :(
It all looks like server-admin stuff to me, an area which I have
absolutely no knowledge in.
I don't have adminstrator rights to my hosting server and I wouldn't
know where to start if I did.
Let it be said that I realise that all these factors are MY short
comings, this is not a problem with mooshell (in any way), Django or
Python.
I just don't feel that it is anywhere near as simple as you might
think to somebody who has no experience in: python, Django or server
administration.
Thanks for you time and for your comments :)
Chris
On 27 oct, 12:58, Piotr Zalewa <[email protected]> wrote:
So far the only reason behind having mooshell in PHP is that it is
easier to
code with.
I can't see any reason why it couldn't equally be developed with php
I also can't see any reason why it couldn't equally be developed in
Haskell.... or Java, RoR, Keppler, Perl, Fortran (eeeh no - take it
back- no
Fortran), name it. But I see the reason why it was done in Django.
I like it
that way.
Well you know - I've been there (in the PHP world) for like 6 years
(was it
8?) and since a year I'm using Django (day to day). I may tell you
- I think
PHP is to backend as jQuery is to JS - easy to learn, hard to
really master.
I actually found learning mootools and Django very similar - They
both are
more complicated on the beginning, but after a bit of learning (few
days of
fun) they are just awesome. When I have to go back to support old
PHP sites
with jQuery or Prototype I have a headache. Django/Python is very
well
documented, language is well structured, code is way cleaner just
because it
is thought out properly. Well what can I say more? Aaah there is a
Python to
Mootools class translator (not that it was used in MooShell).
I'm not here to convince anyone to Django, but I see no point in
rewriting
the whole tool to a different language just because it is easier to
someone.
If you want to contribute to MooShell you may take it as a good
excuse to
learn another language - there's never enough of them once you start.
MooShell is written as a Django application and may be added to an
existing
Django project pretty easily. It works like a plugin. Integrating
it takes
minutes. Regardless the database behind.
There is only one framework into which I would consider to rewrite
MooShell
just to proove the point it can be done. Raccoonhttp://raccoon.keetology.com/
If you want to contribute to front end you don't have to know
Django/Python: http://wiki.github.com/zalun/mooshell/html-js-css(please
do)
Installation is now a step by step
process:http://wiki.github.com/zalun/mooshell/installation
Regards
zalun
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