since you knew I was on this List and my opinion... why would I in 30 years of business offer one poster in a lot of 3 that brought 51.00 and had a hole and tear in it.. if I believed it was not authentic?

I have sold 100s of 1000s of posters,,, and since 1977... wheni 1st bought Bladerunner in 82 i sold them 1-sheet size $9.50 paid 3.50 The inserts in that Group on ebay were taken from a 300-400 piece lot I have,,A mopoer had requested a werewolfe in London I think Mark Davis from Canada. I sent pix on my move here.. note the posters are in Bags and boards so the pix are not sharp as the plastic reflects... as far as the liniage on these I bought the inserts from a Local theatre and im sure had some mixed in from years of selling.. I also have like 1000 folded posters same deal from buying and selling..

let me point out I also sell repros and have since 1977 starting with portal... actually i have a Bladerunner 1 sheet that was done in Germany by I think Close up or by Film freak in netherlands,, Most of the reprints seem to Come from Germany and UK. the distributers in USA are people like Paul Sommers in Lees summit M. USA who wholsale and sels on ebay, and Poster warehouse Randy Pohling know on ebay as ' Bradburied" these guys along with UK distributers sell tons of originals and repos and all your poster dealers buy from sources like these Morrie Everett knows Randy.-. Collectors warehouse had piles of poster waist deep and I saw the Inserts and lobbies and all as I would go there to buy. in Cleveland also he had sorces at the printers at continental litho!. this was in 80s.. so when National screen services closed the warehouse they DUMPED new unused Poster by the 1000s.... so Randy and Paul paid the dump to go in and retrive truckfulls... as to why the better titles.???? well because what would you grab ???? I would take as many bladerunners.... as far as variation.... many posters have had that like streets of Fire and others... studios in 80s wasted tons of money on posters,, Randy also bought warner brothers failed attempt to sell by catalog one sheets and also Jeff kiliians posters like signed drews.. I have the stle d repro start wars that drew did and Kilian lisenced from Lucasfilm i have like 50 availible.. I saw and also I worked as a Poste wildposter9 guys that hang up 1shhets in big citys) I was Detroit! they waould send me tri corner Boxes of 300 ( like 10 boxes airfrieght) studios are NUTS with money which weigh a TON and i did cannon films and many others Like i did missing in action-Norris- Iraon eagle cant remember what year,,, But i did Detroit posting on walls the fact is the La company is owed partially by BOB Dylan..... anyway,,,, also when i did video poster which was from the largest USA distributer we would get 600-100 of a title.. I had 100,000 posters when i finally sold them off... they filled 13 pallets 5 foot deep... Bruce knows this as he was a prospective buyer..... Point is there was i 80s a glut of Posters out there all over the place as many people that worked in the industry would scarf them up... we all buy from industry connections if Your a dealers... fact is now that studios do there own,,, they even sell direct if you want to BUY lots... thats why when a good pic shows up now the studiod sell but posters dont have legs anymore... and as a hobby,,, its become stuff like these Mysth and lies... spread to not help collectors or dealers but to confuse them and to tattempt to disqualify dealers and cast asprsions..

Personally Helmut you could have emailed me direct or called me as Im always on this List and as You have seen have defended that there was a insert find.. however have also sated there are reprints and that its now possible to make reprints,, that rival originals.. If in the slightest possible way I was myself duped by who sold me the poster wouldnt the gentlemanly thing and Proffessional thing been to bring to my attention on the list or ask seller a question? why wait and allow the listgroup to struggle again and have a public outcry when n one has been able to do more than offer opinions? ED and Sue have taken a fair approach by looking at the facts first which is what we all should do... my testimony is that there may be some titles repoed... however there was a find at the dump in 80s of tons of used titles.. and many where of films that would never sell..

Marty Lifshultz of Movie gellery in east meadow NY also have TONs of inserts and 1sheets ,,, so did veto statstibnatis in Chicago.... some of my suppliers Died.. like Richard dnolvich in Boston... he was a big supplier and John Caruso in Denver... all old school... theres plenty More

Im sure Jerry Ohlinger woyuld know. and maybe Rich....... I guess you had to be there...:)

well thats the truth as i see it... I wish you would have contacted me direstly instead of impliing that any manner of wrongdoing was attempted. with intent or by accident . I would have gladly told you the facts to the best of my recollection. Ill have these inserts for sale and the one sheets if anyone wants to buy in lots.
or i hope to get more up after im moved ..
  kindest regards,  Tom Martin Hollywood Dream factory®    419-662-5584.!

Helmut Hamm wrote:

I started this recent round of discussion, and I must admit, I'm quite pleased to see, that almost everybody on the list is in agreement on this matter.

I have withheld this info so far, but it actually was this auction that made me start the discussion:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150124464834

As you will see in the bid history, I bid on this lot myself.
While I have never bought from this seller, I assumed he could be trusted, and I didn't inspect the poster as closely as I should have.

Several hours before the auctions ended, I received a warning from a friend who had seen my bid, that the Blade Runner was actually one of the cropped versions we all agree are fake.

At that point, it was too late to withdraw my bid, and since I was then outbid anyway, I left it at that.

Now, during this discussion, it it the very same dealer STILL arguing they COULD be real...

I don't like to step on anybody's toes, but I personally feel that these inserts are still doing a lot of damage to the hobby, and every new collector who ends up with one of these, may well be a collector lost to the hobby.

Helmut


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