Dear Mopo and patrick and Roger and et al..
Ive slpt on the recent dicusion and think I have a revelation about all
of this..... You see heres how
I see all medis.. Art , poster, Movies , Music,,, are really just
refelction of social concience or lack of..
So when we see a film and the title is about a horror or sci fi topic It
takes us to a created realm many times that has a basis in a area that
is of a social or philisophical opinion or mindset.
So in any postgroup or newsgroup I would think it impossible to keep
sexism, racism, or by that means
any Human condition out of the mix because the bery foundation of all
media has its foundations on the
very topics we try to not discuss. For instance it would be like getting
a newspaper that only reported
on one aspect of news, because again lets say there was as in 9/11 a
disaster would we not discuss its
effect on our Movies that week? I remember that even the TV tal shows
couldnt be funny as it was such a shock. Or in the case of the recent
economical issues on houseing and wall street.. This does have a effect
on Movies and posters in a big way. As did the actor strike.. and thats
Political....
What I see as a result of te internet mainly is that the entire planet
is now connected by a wire a thin wire
and we can communicate thoughts at the speed of sound.. and thoses
thoughts are about the Human condition.. and guess what.. we are not
Robots but living breathing Life forms with hopes and dreams
and the connection is that 99.9 % of people would like to have familys
and eat and just be treated
with dignity, and enjoy life and be healthy.... The artis and movie
makers seem to try to address
the commercial aspect by giving people what they want,, like in recent
time a flurry of torture-game
films created to make adreniliin glands pump to excess... at the same
time it seems that ive noticed
that young people in thier 20s 30s seem like they want to re-discover a
simpler life and that the
Lifestyle of overexcess is seen as abusive , destructive and
dysfunctional. That to me is great and
I believe the Youth will actually make this world better,, The Enrons
and Bear Sterns corp Giants
Are melting down.. thier greed seems to be backfireing.... So I also
think same with the Movies,,,
People want to be entertained with a interesting adventure to escape
reality not be pulled into
deepre depression and the time spent being abused by Images and a script
that leaves them empty
and in despair.... some spine tigler horror is fine,, But a seaady diet
of one genre is not good..
So If we agree we are all connected in one big earth family then we need
to not put blinders on that current events affect all things like even
posters.
Example... look at every major star,,, includeing Heston.... They always
have a platform or cause..
and many use the fame to promote the views or cause.. Like Oprah, Tom
Cruise, Paul McCartney,
Maddona, Whoopi Goldberg, Tom Hanks, BONO, and many, many others.. what
about Gay rights?
The entertainment industry has used many of the organizations Like AMPAS
and others as public
awareness and fund raisers for AIDS and other topics... Save the
whales.. and the green movement
and various advadocy groups... all with differnt Missions yet
inter-connected by groups and business
and media links.
So I aggee that a poster group should be Posters however I believe the
human element is always a
big part of everything we see , read and hear in media expression. Im
betting the Youth of today
has seen the blunders of the 50s- 90s over excess lifestyles..
See if you look at the 1900 -1940s people didnt have a throw away
society,, that happened around 60s
and 70s when we started to think of stuff as throw away...
I hope all can see the relevance to poster collecting is that the entire
collecting world is linked to Lifestyle
Finances, and media tastes and influences and a lot of social concience.
I think that opeople are waking up and also that the kids of today see
they better start cleaning up our
earth and eating better if we plan to have a future or it will be a
planet of robots.
Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:
Sheesh, I am getting more flack for asking that people at least talk
posters rather than focus on vilifying Heston's due to his gun stance
or drifting to a discussion of Indian rights. Am I so off base as to
ask that a movie poster list have something to do with movies...or
posters?
Andrea, I'll repeat that my only point was that we started with the
news of Charleton Heston's death, which became a discourse on gun
rights, which ended up with some very unattractive 'dancing' on
Heston's grave by putting politics first then we continued to drift
further and further using someone's death to fuel our own personal
diatribes which are certainly valid but not on a Movie Poster mailing
list. There is a danger that if we kept going I could see getting
dozens of messages that had nothing whatsoever to do with Movies or
Posters OR Charleton Heston and there are plenty of places to blog
out opinions on the internet.
I never meant to 'bark' at anyone. Although it is interesting that
the majority of those who have contacted me angrily or defensively
say that I shouldn't suggest others refrain from talking and
expressing their thoughts about guns or American Indian rights
(albeit on a poster list!) yet they are tacitly suggesting that I
should refrain from expressing my wish to stay remotely 'on topic.'
Andrea, your point is absolutely speaking to the spirit of
collectors, dealers and posters and was very interesting to me as it
was dealing with the complex nature of collecting and the conflicts
of who, what, and how the subject matter affects different collectors
and dealers differently. It was right on point with the original
question Phil Edwards put forth. And I LOVE Magic posters, there are
some absolutely gorgeous ones, and some that are very creepy and far
more disturbing than most horror posters to my mind.
Do you have them up in your house? How do you deal with those that
your husband loves but you are not as fond of? See, these questions
interest me as they are definitely a unique art form that reflects
taste, esthetics and morality, and it's interesting how different
couples deal with the nature of differing tastes, etc. in all kinds
and forms of collecting.
Hope your weekend was wonderful,
Patrick
On Apr 6, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Freedom Lover wrote:
When my husband found out one of the magicians poster he collected
was an anti-semite, he sold them all for a song. He didn't even
want them in the house. They're posters, Patrick. Magic is all he
collects. Sorry they couldn't have been movie posters, but I wanted
to reply to your question. I thought it was pertinent.
(and please, don't bark at me. It's art.)
Andrea
On Apr 6, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:
Now your last question is definitely on topic! Thanks for steering
us back, Phil.
I think it's a far more complex question. Which makes me wonder,
do you ignore your personal issues with a certain actor/perfomer/
writer/director whether they be politics or what have you in order
to sell a VERY profitable poster BUT take a stand when convenient
and don't sell another actor/performet/writer/director's posters
which don't sell for larger profits? In other words, do we only
take a stand when it doesn't hurt so much in the poster selling
world? Or can we all be 'bought' by profit? Art and personal
profit...how close to a Leni Riefenstahl stance do we flirt with in
doing so?
Patrick
On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Phil Edwards wrote:
There are many actors, writers, directors, et al and artists from
all areas of the arts whose personal politics I do not care for
myself.
I think what we are talking about here is the death of Mr Heston
the actor and the legacy of films he left, his part in Hollywood
movie history, not Mr Heston who happened to be a big name in the NRA.
By extension, if as a professional seller one feels strongly
enough about an actor/writer/director's politics, does one make a
statement by not dealing in material that features them or was
made by them?
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Linkenback"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Excellent comparison: Hollywood Blacklist and
Gun Deaths
Yes, it takes a brave man to ambush an elderly gentleman in the
early stages
of Alzheimer's.
That may be his legacy to you, but fortunately it won't be to a
majority of
the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
rodxmorgan
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MOPO] Excellent comparison: Hollywood Blacklist and Gun
Deaths
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/
20070422_MARSH_GRA
PHIC.html
2004: almost 100,000 people killed or injured by guns, in just
one year!
Sounds like a runaway epidemic to me---promoted largely by the
gun-lobby
profiteers & NRA.
Heston's legacy: running like a squirmy dog from Michael Moore's
interview.
The image is
indelibly etched into our collective film consciousness.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=379436543310263692
--- Bill Brent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wow - take a position in the land of the free that doesn't keep
step with
the vocal left!
I guess the liberals are just in favor of censorship - or at
least its
okay to shut people up
who don't believe what they believe.
but then why the big outcry againt the hollywood black list -
what's good
for the goose...
-----Original Message-----
>CALLOWAY: He was about the worst NRA-whore who ever made a
dirty living
in this city.
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