Of course, there's a difference between doing something to make money
for (or otherwise benefit) the person whose politics or philosophy you
disagree with and, for example, selling posters of them or of their work.
The magician in question, to use as an example, wasn't profiting from the
sale of the poster. He wasn't getting any money from the sale. And, in
fact, you could argue to the contrary that by putting his posters up for sale,
your husband was getting that magician's name out in front of the public
and increasing his notoriety (in effect, benefiting the magician by
the sale).
But I can certainly see that, if someone's position is strongly
antithetical to
you, not wanting to have anything around that reminds you of them. That's
a purely personal issue and there's no dividing line. If you don't want to
think about them, and a given poster causes you to do so, get rid of it. No
matter how much or how little involvement they have with the image or the
work depicted.
Craig.
At 06:47 AM 4/7/2008, Freedom Lover wrote:
Hi Phil,
First, thanks for remembering Al's name &:)
This is like politics. You have to make your own call; it's very
personal. I could only let Alan do whatever he wanted and respect his
feelings. I will say that bias and prejudice definitely has a play in
our collecting (or lack thereof).
Personally, if someone is/was anti-semitic, I'm not about to do
anything that would make the work that person did go up in value.
But it's not just anti-semitism; it's whoever offends me. Heck, it's
my money, I'll spend it (or not) where I choose. (i.e. I don't like
hunters. In my world, people who kill animals to hang their heads on
a wall are murderers.)
Andrea
On Apr 7, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Phil Edwards wrote:
Andrea, et al (yoall know Al).....
It's actually a really interesting question.
Because once one starts somewhere on such a subject, it's
a point of where one might stop... and draw the line.
Let's say (as has been suggested by Fritz Lang) that his then-wife
Thea Von Harbou was a member of the Nazi Party (or the Nutzi Party
as Ernst and Mel might put it) does one therfor decline the offer of
a METROPOLIS poster (or any Ufa poster post 1932-ish spreading it a
little wider) because probably at least many if not most of the crew
are Nutzi Party members?
Or one discovers that some director on some favourite American film
of all time was a member of the KKK... so you get rid of the poster?
Of course it depends if one approves of the KKK and their beliefs,
or not, may well be part of the reasoning.
Putting the shoe on the foot - if one is anti-Semite, does one
boycott Steven Spielberg's films say, or just the ones he made after
he re-discovered the importance of his faith to him?
Not having shots at anyone here, but where and how does one draw a
line and if so, why so?
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "Freedom Lover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Excellent comparison: Hollywood Blacklist and
Gun Deaths
When my husband found out one of the magicians poster he collected
was an anti-semite, he sold them all for a song. He didn't even
want them in the house. They're posters, Patrick. Magic is all
he collects. Sorry they couldn't have been movie posters, but I
wanted to reply to your question. I thought it was pertinent.
(and please, don't bark at me. It's art.)
Andrea
On Apr 6, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:
Now your last question is definitely on topic! Thanks for
steering us back, Phil.
I think it's a far more complex question. Which makes me wonder,
do you ignore your personal issues with a certain
actor/perfomer/ writer/ director whether they be politics or what have you in
order to sell a VERY profitable poster BUT take a stand when
convenient and don't sell another actor/performet/writer/
director's posters which don't sell for larger profits? In other
words, do we only take a stand when it doesn't hurt so much in
the poster selling world? Or can we all be 'bought' by profit?
Art and personal profit...how close to a Leni Riefenstahl stance
do we flirt with in doing so?
Patrick
On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Phil Edwards wrote:
There are many actors, writers, directors, et al and artists
from all areas of the arts whose personal politics I do not care
for myself.
I think what we are talking about here is the death of Mr Heston
the actor and the legacy of films he left, his part in Hollywood
movie history, not Mr Heston who happened to be a big name in
the NRA.
By extension, if as a professional seller one feels strongly
enough about an actor/writer/director's politics, does one make
a statement by not dealing in material that features them or was
made by them?
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Linkenback"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Excellent comparison: Hollywood Blacklist
and Gun Deaths
Yes, it takes a brave man to ambush an elderly gentleman in the
early stages
of Alzheimer's.
That may be his legacy to you, but fortunately it won't be to a
majority of
the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
rodxmorgan
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MOPO] Excellent comparison: Hollywood Blacklist and
Gun Deaths
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/20070422_MARSH_GRA
PHIC.html
2004: almost 100,000 people killed or injured by guns, in just
one year!
Sounds like a runaway epidemic to me---promoted largely by the
gun- lobby
profiteers & NRA.
Heston's legacy: running like a squirmy dog from Michael
Moore's interview.
The image is
indelibly etched into our collective film consciousness.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=379436543310263692
--- Bill Brent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wow - take a position in the land of the free that doesn't
keep step with
the vocal left!
I guess the liberals are just in favor of censorship - or at
least its
okay to shut people up
who don't believe what they believe.
but then why the big outcry againt the hollywood black list -
what's good
for the goose...
-----Original Message-----
>CALLOWAY: He was about the worst NRA-whore who ever made a dirty
living
in this city.
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