"I stand by my statement"
AND SO DO I. Stand by MY statement, that is
I can tell you that in my room the A/C worked just fine. The room
did not smell. Front Desk was very cordial and helpful in numerous
and various requests. The shape of the elevators is of absolutely of
no consequence to most people. We came to a movie memorabelia
concention, not a spa.
Look, this back and forth can go on forever, with arguments and
couner-arguments in both direction. You had a lousy time, I had a
good time. Are there better hotels? Of course. Will rooms, dealer
tables, food ets cost much more in a fancier place? Of course. So
let the Cinevent organizers do their job. They've been successful at
it for 40 years.
Zeev
----- Original Message -----*From:* Franc
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MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:19 PM
*Subject:* RE: [MOPO] hollywood poster auction & DISCUSSION
I stand by my statement and I know for a fact that many dealers
feel the same, especially since you can find luxury hotels in
Columbus at that time of the year for the price that is charged at
this Ramada dump. FRANC
-----Original Message-----
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*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:04 PM
*To:* FRANC MARTARELLA; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] hollywood poster auction & DISCUSSION
Frank, I think you're exaggerating just a little bit.
I attended this year's Cinevent, and have been going
to this
show, at the same hotel, for almost 20 years. While this
hotel may have its flaws(e.g. poor A/C in some common areas),
calling it "disgusting" is grossly unfair and totally
inaccurate.
I have no shares in this hotel, and no personal
interest in
it, I just don't want people who never attended the show, and
who might be contemplating on doing so in the future, be
wrongly influenced by your highly subjective bad experience.
No printing capacity in the "business center" (exactly 2
computer monitors) may not be as important to most guests as
it is for you. Sorry. Zeev
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*Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] hollywood poster auction & DISCUSSION
I think Collectible Shows and on-site auctions can still
have the edge. I just got back from Cinevent and it's
great to connect with dealers and buyers I haven't seen
all year and nothing, not even a super-image zoom, can
replace holding a poster or lobby cards in your hands to
see the artwork, color, texture etc. Besides which it's
tedious to go through all the Heritage or Bruce Hershenson
listings to check condition and I lose interest one
quarter of the way through.
That said, I found this year's Cinevent to
be a someone
subdued affair. Unfortunately the economy has taken its
toll on the art of collecting movie ephemera. Most of the
dealers were complaining that sales were slow and I don't
think Morrie going to count this one as his most
financially successful auction either.
Part of the problem for me is that disgusting hotel the
Cinevent insist on using. Their business center had no
capacity to print anything, given that their printers were
all down and had been apparently for some time. The rooms
either smell of disinfectant or stale cigarettes. The air-
conditioner in my room was dead and had to be changed. The
restaurant doesn't even look clean and wake-up calls were
ignored by the front desk. The auction room was decided
hot, so much so I couldn't sit in that room for more than
an hour at a time and Morrie seemed to be experiencing
technical problems throughout. I've made a decision to
stay elsewhere ...anywhere else... next year. I only wish
the Cinevent management would wise up and follow suit.
FRANC
From: Bruce Hershenson <brucehershen...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] hollywood poster auction & DISCUSSION
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 10:41 AM
I love Morrie, and he is absolutely one of the
pioneers of this hobby! Without people like Morrie and
Richard Allen, who started the hobby and spent massive
effort on making the world aware of it, there likely
wouldn't be a hobby today!
With that being said, I do think
that "live auctions"
are a dying breed, and large collectible shows have a
similar problem. Why should people spend lots and lots
of money on travel and hotels when they could spend
that same money on buying posters? In the "old days",
the advantage was that you could see the items "up
close and personal", and that was not possible through
the mail, without spending $50,000 or so on a deluxe
color catalog as I did, and even then you didn't get a
really good idea of what the condition was, just what
the image looked like.
But now, with the Internet, you CAN
provide
super-sized images that show every flaw in
excrutiating detail (of course some auctions choose
not to do so, with fuzzy scans, but that is their
choice), so I really think that one giant advantage
live auctions had is gone.
I hope Morrie can continue to put on
his auctions (to
whatever extent he can), and that the hobby will
support him, for as you rightly point out, Cinevent
might not survive either, and it is wonderful that
once a year there is a place in the middle of the
country where many of the members of the hobby gather
(I have attended many times, and would have been there
this time, except for fate conspiring against me;
Memorial Day falls super-early this year, and it
started on the last day of my kid's school, and my 14
year old had perfect attendence all four years of
middle school and he wasn't about to miss the very
last day, and besides, he got straight As all year and
got an award that last day, so I had to choose being
at that over being at the auction, and it was no
choice at all).
Bruce
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Douglas Ball
<deb...@columbus.rr.com
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deb...@columbus.rr.com>>
wrote:
Michael,
Speaking from what I have
seen... Morrie was
extremely short of help this year. I believe this
is also the first year as long as I have attended
that Marty Davis wasn't involved.
Anyway, Morrie tried some
new things this year,
some worked well, but many did not...I believe for
next year there will changes...for the best!
As for the catalogues, this
was the first time I
received a catalog for the Columbus auction, I've
only receive flyers. If you were at the auction
you could get a catalog free of charge.
They are not the quality of Heritages auctions.
Heritage has the resources and personal to put
together their beautiful catalogs, pictures, and
descriptions...plus from what I understand, they
print their own. Morrie did this on his own, with
a lot of help from his family...whom I respect.
If you viewed the online
catalog, you would have
received a better description and picture than the
catalog, plus if you really wanted to bid, many
options to do so...including coming to Cinevent to
be a part of the poster community as those who did.
There was a time that
Morrie's auction was one of
the biggest and best. A lot of high end poster
were there, if you were after them. Heritage and
of course Bruce went to Morrie auctions, learned
from them, and did their own. We need Morrie
auctions, Cinevent (to survive) needs it, and we
collectors and dealers need it. To bash it without
giving Morrie some
constructive opinions/criticisms will only help
hurt our future of this business including
the live auctions that are doing well at this time.
Doug Ball
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Michael B
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*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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*Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] hollywood poster auction
& DISCUSSION
1. i gave up looking at the site because it
took forever to load into my computer. AND I
HAVE A FAST COMPUTER.
2. more
importantly, i wrote 2 emails to
Hollywood Poster asking why i could not see
poster descriptions. _Neither were
answered._ How can you bid without a
description??? Did their on-line sire contain
descriptions? Were you able to really enhance
an image?
>>>>>so, although a
quick search of the site
found 2 posters i might have bid on.......i
never went back.
SO WHY DO AUCTION
HOUSES LIKE HERITAGE SEND
OUT FREE CATALOGUES? ANSWER: they are
smart! !!!
For example, in the
last Signature Auction of
Heritage, i made a quick search on their
internet site. Although, i saw beautiful
posters, i believe only one interested me at
the time. Yet, after i received their
catalogue, and had time to study it, i tracked
about 12+ posters-----------------------and
bought 6 INCLUDING the one sheet and insert of
THE PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY.
clearly, i was
super-pleased with the items i
won, and Signature made more money because of
my bidding. SO------THE AUCTION HOUSES THAT
ARE SMART SEND OUT CATALOGUES TO SERIOUS
BIDDERS BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU GOTTA SPEND
MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
>>>>>if the receiver
of a catalogue increases
a lot sold by $100, then the auction house
made money to cover the catalogue and
shipping cost. surely, a recipient should be
removed from the free auction catalogue
courtesy if they never bid.
and, whenever i
write to Heritage, i always
get a fast answer. for example, i asked a
question about the one sheet of Dorian Gray,
and received a response from bruce c. within 2
hours of my question. as i said, i won that
item!
michael
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