I felt the card I examined and insert were both thinner than they should be
as a matter of fact, I meant to go buy a micrometer and measure - but
I forgot before I had to send them back
At 04:24 PM 10/6/2009, Sean Linkenback wrote:
no - they are the thickness of a sanded down lobby card with a piece
of notebook (or literally copy) paper on top of them.
So they are thicker than an original card by the thickness of a
piece of notebook paper, Not that the card themselves are as thick
as notebook paper.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Steven F. Poole
To: <mailto:[email protected]>Sean Linkenback
Cc:
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<mailto:[email protected]>Richard Halegua Comic Art
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Ok, so the cards are thin apparently. Maybe I am missing
something but I was imagining a doctored card as something that
was thicker than a "good" lobby card as it sounds like they
basically superimposed another sheet of paper onto a card. I just
don't understand how they could be thin as another layer is being
added, even with sanding.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Sean Linkenback
To: <mailto:[email protected]>Steven F. Poole ;
<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
If by thicker you mean the thickness of a piece of notebook paper then yes.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Steven F. Poole
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Rich-
Are they just a bit thicker than what seems normal?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Richard Halegua Comic Art & Movie Posters
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Zeev
the smaller sizes consisted of real posters - lc's, wc's, hs's,
inserts - that had the front sanded down to remove the image
then an inkjet or other copy was mounted to the front (sanded side)
then each item was carefully restored to give it the appearance of
an authentic card that was restored, thereby misdirecting your
attention from the forgery
Rich
At 03:14 PM 10/6/2009, lobby card invasion wrote:
Hello Sean
Begging your indulgence. Could you please clarify a couple of point?
1. "While the one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the
smaller sizes (halves, inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked -
though they are all restored"
'FAKES BEING RESTORED' , just doesn't sound right. Is that really
the best way to describe what is being done?
2. If Window Cards can have their back layer removed during
restoration, and re-mounted on acid free card stock, and if S2 Art
prints can be sanded down to paper thickness, and then paperbacked
or linenbacked, then why couldn't a fake lobby card be produced by
using paperbacking?
Zeev
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Sean Linkenback
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Steve,
I don't know where or how you understood that all the fakes are
supposedly paperbacked, but nothing could be further from the
truth. While the one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all
the smaller sizes (halves, inserts, and lobbies) are NOT
paperbacked - though they are all restored.
Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein itself as a title is not out of
the clear, as I have seen a fake Title Card on this film in person.
I have not seen any scene card as of yet, but that doesn't mean
anything one way or the other.
If the restorer who made these ever decides to make a list of the
titles he made and the quantities it would certainly help in
removing the fakes from the market and easing the fears of
collectors like yourself.
Of course it is certainly possible that a card can be 60+ years old
and still be as fresh as the day it was produced. Look at some of
the beautiful lobby sets Todd is offering for sale as an
example. I myself have even had near perfect mint cards from
Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and those lobbies are nearly 90 years old.
The main question is - how good do you feel about your ability to
spot restoration? If you have a good eye for restoration and your
lobby appears to be completely unrestored, then it is most likely original.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Steven F. Poole
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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
Hi all-
A month or so ago, after the whole Universal horror scam scandal
broke, I contacted Profiles regarding a lot that I had purchased
in their spring auction. It is a 1948 lobby card for ABBOTT AND
COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN and is the card of the boys discovering
the Monster in the packing crate (my favorite card from the set).
Naturally, I had a knee-jerk reaction to the fakes issue and
checked the card out again closely. It is presents as near mint
with no backing. I began to wonder about something that is
supposeded to be 60+ years old and is, for lack of a better term,
as "minty white" as could possiblyh be. I did not know at the
time the scandal first broke that the alleged fakes are all
apparently paper backed. I called Profiles and met with a rather
dismissive response that the "reproductionists" would not possibly
have bothered with such a low-end card (although it hammered at
almost $1000, including the premium which is just about where this
card sells retail). At the time, I was somewhat reassured
although felt as though the person I spoke with apparently
representing Profiles on this issue really considered my card a
small fish in their large pond and it was not worth pursuing any
kind of authentication.
The Profiles rep. did say that if I still had a doubt, I
could send it to Poster Mountain to have it proclaimed authentic.
My question is, would a card like this have been indeed
not been , for the alleged scammers, "worth their while" to
fake? Also, I have not really relished the idea of speaking with
Profiles again but was wondering if they are still utilizing
Poster Mountain for authentication or using another source if I
wanted it checked out.
Thanks in advance for any direction.
Steve
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