Ok, so the cards are thin apparently. Maybe I am missing something but I was imagining a doctored card as something that was thicker than a "good" lobby card as it sounds like they basically superimposed another sheet of paper onto a card. I just don't understand how they could be thin as another layer is being added, even with sanding.
Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Linkenback To: Steven F. Poole ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? If by thicker you mean the thickness of a piece of notebook paper then yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven F. Poole To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? Rich- Are they just a bit thicker than what seems normal? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art & Movie Posters To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? Zeev the smaller sizes consisted of real posters - lc's, wc's, hs's, inserts - that had the front sanded down to remove the image then an inkjet or other copy was mounted to the front (sanded side) then each item was carefully restored to give it the appearance of an authentic card that was restored, thereby misdirecting your attention from the forgery Rich At 03:14 PM 10/6/2009, lobby card invasion wrote: Hello Sean Begging your indulgence. Could you please clarify a couple of point? 1. "While the one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the smaller sizes (halves, inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked - though they are all restored" 'FAKES BEING RESTORED' , just doesn't sound right. Is that really the best way to describe what is being done? 2. If Window Cards can have their back layer removed during restoration, and re-mounted on acid free card stock, and if S2 Art prints can be sanded down to paper thickness, and then paperbacked or linenbacked, then why couldn't a fake lobby card be produced by using paperbacking? Zeev ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Linkenback To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? Steve, I don't know where or how you understood that all the fakes are supposedly paperbacked, but nothing could be further from the truth. While the one-sheets and three-sheets are linenbacked, all the smaller sizes (halves, inserts, and lobbies) are NOT paperbacked - though they are all restored. Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein itself as a title is not out of the clear, as I have seen a fake Title Card on this film in person. I have not seen any scene card as of yet, but that doesn't mean anything one way or the other. If the restorer who made these ever decides to make a list of the titles he made and the quantities it would certainly help in removing the fakes from the market and easing the fears of collectors like yourself. Of course it is certainly possible that a card can be 60+ years old and still be as fresh as the day it was produced. Look at some of the beautiful lobby sets Todd is offering for sale as an example. I myself have even had near perfect mint cards from Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and those lobbies are nearly 90 years old. The main question is - how good do you feel about your ability to spot restoration? If you have a good eye for restoration and your lobby appears to be completely unrestored, then it is most likely original. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven F. Poole To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? Hi all- A month or so ago, after the whole Universal horror scam scandal broke, I contacted Profiles regarding a lot that I had purchased in their spring auction. It is a 1948 lobby card for ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN and is the card of the boys discovering the Monster in the packing crate (my favorite card from the set). Naturally, I had a knee-jerk reaction to the fakes issue and checked the card out again closely. It is presents as near mint with no backing. I began to wonder about something that is supposeded to be 60+ years old and is, for lack of a better term, as "minty white" as could possiblyh be. I did not know at the time the scandal first broke that the alleged fakes are all apparently paper backed. I called Profiles and met with a rather dismissive response that the "reproductionists" would not possibly have bothered with such a low-end card (although it hammered at almost $1000, including the premium which is just about where this card sells retail). At the time, I was somewhat reassured although felt as though the person I spoke with apparently representing Profiles on this issue really considered my card a small fish in their large pond and it was not worth pursuing any kind of authentication. The Profiles rep. did say that if I still had a doubt, I could send it to Poster Mountain to have it proclaimed authentic. My question is, would a card like this have been indeed not been , for the alleged scammers, "worth their while" to fake? Also, I have not really relished the idea of speaking with Profiles again but was wondering if they are still utilizing Poster Mountain for authentication or using another source if I wanted it checked out. Thanks in advance for any direction. 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