Ari
you know I love ya brother, but some of what you say is entirely hypocritical
For instance, when Douche Hershenson was screwing
up your forum with straight out attacks on a
variety of members (most especially myself) you really didn't care..
so while you decry Andy for some of those things,
you feel it's okay to whitewash some of the bullshit that goes on at NSF
again Ari.. I love ya like a distant brother, but
you can't gripe about MPF unless you have totally
clean laundry at NSF - which you don't
to go further.. Censorship really is antithetical
to much of what is said on MoPo, NSF and MPF. But
attacks on any member or person for any reason should be censored because:
1) all people expect a certain amount of decorum
2) people expect to be free from having to defend
themselves for bullshit reasons
3) frequently people who are being savaged are
not members of a particular forum and may not
know what is being said until someone points it out to them
and
4) it's just plain wrong
there can be no question that NSF has at times
been like the wild west and you as moderator do
not choose to moderate such behavior, which
results in more and more mud being slung. People
who are being savaged only have one recourse which is to sling more mud
There is one reality - that some people on NSF
like to sling mud, but when the mud is slung back
- they think they're being screwed.
It's the moderator's JOB to quietly stop any such
behavior immediately BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND
and people who are being attacked shouldn't have
to get in touch with you (which sometimes is
difficult) to have it ended - you should be the
one to end it without any prodding to do so
If people don't like being censored, they
shouldn't be spreading bullshit which is likely
to be censored by any intelligent thinking
moderator and you have certain members who
constantly attack people because they disagree
with whatever philosophy that other person has
(like for instance Dave L being constantly harangued unfairly)
You can run your forum any way you wish, but I
think on this particular issue you live in a glass house
there used to be a great forum that was very
pointedly aimed at furthering the hobby of poster
collecting _Movie Poster Talk.
At the point where certain people were using the
forum as their personal attack board, Jon Warren was forced to end the forum.
MoviePosterBid was going to host a forum, but
after I came to the realization of it's
detriments (by watching other forums) I
recognized it would be impossible for me to
moderate any forum due to time constraints
because there are too many bigmouths that I would
have to watch and I had other things to do that
were in themselves more than a fulltime job (like
for instance, the auctions which are a job for 5
people and we do them with 2). So because I
didn't feel I could trust all members to be
gentlemanly (or gentlewomanly), I couldn't bother
with creating a forum for them.
I don't care if Andy has a need to charge or not.
I don't care if certain members want to say
garbage, get banned, and then whine about the
"injustice" they have reaped.. If these people
felt the need to be involved with Andy's group,
they should behave themselves accordingly,
otherwise they have nothing to whine about.
people do not join these groups to be attacked.
They join because they are in a hobby and want to
network with like collectors and share
something.. people who cannot act like adults
should not be allowed to mingle with other
adults.. Like the whiners who complain that
they've been banned.. Act like an adult and you will not be banned.
Keep in mind that such bickering is BAD FOR ANY FORUM, HOBBY ETC.
It keeps people away and anything negative
potentially turns people away from the hobby. Do
you really think there's a positive to that??
I fully support Andy's perspective on this issue
Rich
At 02:51 PM 12/21/2009, Ari Richards wrote:
Andy has consistently ran a forum, that deletes,
moves, edits, threads, bans members, or puts
them on hold, until he decides if they are ok.
All the while claims over a thousand members,
and charges not only advertising fees, but also
charges for people to enter the private place where the cool guys go.
NOW Id have no problem with any of that, except,
there's members there and always have been that
spread lies, think back to the Mean Streets
fiasco, Greg Egbert is allowed, and people who
know their stuff and are honest get banned.
I know I don't know everything re posters, I
just let people talk about it, but banning
experts and leaving fools is just stupid.
Reason I asked (took a few times) to be removed
from MPF is watching people spread lies, and
anyone who proves them wrong gets banned, makes my skin crawl.
And in your email Andy you suggested that I have
tried to make money from NS4..?
" I know one person that does as he brings it up
a fair amount of time but that is because they
have tried it and failed and still have the
nerve to talk about it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical."
I assume that's me...?
Never have once asked for $ for advertising.
Want to pay me to advertise MPF on NS4?
That's the first time I have asked.
Good luck, hope you make a buck, I don't give a ......
Ari
PS, I poked my eyes out the other day
From: Andy Neal <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 21 December, 2009 10:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] New Poster Forum/Group
I guess an alternative is not a problem as long
as it doesn't end up being full of trash or end
up with loads of porn on it or mindless drivel.
As you may or may not know I moderate MPF,
myself and the majority of its members consider
it to be a professional forum, with advertising
which is no way to be fround out, I know one
person that does as he brings it up a fair
amount of time but that is because they have
tried it and failed and still have the nerve to
talk about it like it's a sin which is in itself hypocritical.
Mopo can't be moderated except for banning
people as it is a mailing list/discussion group
and not a forum. But I love it and have been a
member for years as it is civilised 99% of the
time. I know very little about Scott as he
rarely posts or gets involved, not too sure what
else he is involved with if anything at all but
MoPo works and is a total success in my eyes,
god forbid anything happening to Scott or we're
screwed, I hope he has a backup generator :-)
My only word of advice is outline any rules
right from the off and moderate it when required
or you will just end up with a very amateur
forum full of playground antics, Also turn a
blind eye to any 2-faced people you may
encounter along the journey...This is from 4+
years of Movie Poster forum ownership and
experience...Best of luck Thiery and Holiday
with the new forum venture. I won't be joining,
that isn't because of any fears of competition,
my priority is to concentrate on MPF and it can be time consuming sometimes.
I am a new generation Movie Poster Collector
with an old head on, it doesn't have to be one
or the other and it doesn't have to be judge or
be judged, we live in the year 2009, a civilised
era!? Letâs make 2010 civilised too.
Anyway, I'm sure most mopo'ers are bored of all
this forum talk now and want to talk about movie
posters so I'll get off my soap box now.
Andy
President of The Movie Poster Forum
<http://www.movieposterforum.com/>www.movieposterforum.com
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