Charlie Chaplin played The Tramp in countless films (just a figure of speech, I
am sure someone will know exactly how many and someone else will be prepared to
quarrel with it) Harold Lloyd was often the Glasses character and John Wayne
was All American. They created new things and built on the works of their
predecessors. Some of their work now goes back almost a hundred years and few
people are alive now who were alive at the beginning of their careers. They are
viewed in retrospect as gifted and iconic figures and most of their films
harkened to some common thread. In fact, audiences expected that and their
characters (when not in roles that conflicted with the body of their work) were
always advanced in new roles by the "shorthand" of expectation which came with
them
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Miller
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] AVATAR
I can't say how tired I am of the "oh, Avatar is just like movie X"
complaint.
Sorry. If it's just like Pocahontas, Dances With Wolves, Ferngully, The
Last Samurai, Lawrence of Arabia, and The Last of the Mohicans (and
it's like all of them) that should tell you that it's a common story trope
used
by countless writers. To complain of it is to say "The West Side Story is
a piece of crap. It's just like Romeo and Juliet." The last movie I saw
that
didn't harken to the plot of something else was Being John Malkovich. Is
Avatar perfect? No. Is it's script great? Nope. But to say there are plot
similarities to something else is fatuous. If that's all someone can
complain
about, then they're just looking for something to knock. (And Cameron has
a lot of people who like to knock him, though I think he's got a truly
amazing
track record.)
Craig.
At 11:15 PM 2/15/2010, David Kusumoto wrote:
** It's been a while I've written anything of length to MoPo; write it off
to being too swamped to get into the fights and what-nots during the past 5-6
months.
** Meanwhile, you're right, Doug -- "Avatar's" story line has been done
1,000 times before, and that's my only objection to it. "Avatar's" script
resembled "Dances With Wolves Meets the Blue Man Group" -- with the standard
theme of "money-grubbing corporations" raping the natural resources of a planet
populated by blue aliens -- whose every utterance is noble and forcefully
profound, e.g., like lines given to every Native American character in Disney's
"Pocahontas."
** Anyway, I was put in my place by a former colleague and mother of two
kids who agreed with me -- but who told me -- (and she was right) -- "you know,
you and your historical film references makes you old and out of date -- it
makes everything you see today sound irrelevant with a "been there and done
that" feeling. Well, that's not true for everything. Zillions of people are
paying $15 to see 'Avatar' without your historical references; they don't care
about "Dances with Wolves" or "Pocahontas." Even if they did, those pictures
were made 15-20 years ago, before today's movie goers were born; they were made
in ways that seem obsolete or less engaging to kids today. This doesn't mean
old films are less important. It just means they're not important to young
people YET. Someday they'll like them. Like we did. Geezuz, we weren't all
born in 1920. Young people buy WAY more tickets than old people. Remember how
you used to go to every opening night? You don't anymore because you hate long
lines. You're not supporting the industry and you're well past the 'sell-by'
date for mass entertainment. So stay at home and watch PBS, TCM or HBO.
'Avatar" may not be the best picture of the year, but it is historic and my
kids loved it."
** I thought about this tirade for a moment and I said, "you know, you're
right. Most people coming out of 'Avatar' are having fun -- and I admit it's
astounding that a guy like James Cameron can knock out hit after monster hit,
while having total control of material that, unlike Spielberg, always seems to
strike industry watchers and the bean counters to have an "iffy" quality --
BEFORE they're released. Cameron's films never SEEM to feel like they will be
guaranteed box office gold until AFTER word-of-mouth spreads."
** The box-office receipts of Cameron's last three films including "True
Lies" -- have blown past everything Spielberg has done since 1993, including
"Jurassic Park," a film at the time I thought was a technological game changer.
I just wonder whether "Avatar," even as a "game changer" -- has a story/script
worthy enough to be a Best Picture. "Titanic" beat back those same obstacles
in 1997 with an old-fashioned, 1940s type love story that had teenage girls
returning in droves.
** I liked low-budget picture, "The Hurt Locker" -- and was shocked that I
also enjoyed the true story of Baltimore Ravens tackle Michael Oher in Sandra
Bullock's "The Blind Side" -- but "Avatar" didn't hit me in the gut. Honestly,
the best performances I saw in 2009 came from Meryl Streep as Julia Child in
"Julie and Julia" and Christoph Waltz as the smooth Nazi in "Inglourious
Basterds."
** If I had to root for a single picture, it might be "The Hurt Locker,"
but only because I think it's the first picture about the war without a
political message; none of the actors "debate" why they're in Iraq. There's no
sledgehammer message. It's a strange film whereby the emotional centerpiece is
the adrenaline of survival; some soldiers have it and some don't; this
adrenaline is all that matters to the main character played by Best Actor
nominee Jeremy Renner. I also thought "The Hurt Locker" was a giant leap for
action director Kathryn Bigelow, who's never done anything like this. If
anything, its neutral political stance underscores how many soldiers are
ignorant of the politics of anything they're involved in. They just do their
job.
** But my gut feeling is the 9 films going against "Avatar" -- all have the
"Gandhi" hex hung around their necks. That is, if any picture OTHER than
"Avatar" wins -- it will be a dubious distinction akin to "Forrest Gump"
beating "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Pulp Fiction" in 1994; "Shakespeare in
Love" beating "Saving Private Ryan" in 1998; "Chariots of Fire" beating "Reds"
and "Raiders of the Lost Ark" in 1981; "Ordinary People" beating "Raging Bull"
in 1980; "Platoon" beating " Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters" in 1986;
"The English Patient" beating "Fargo" in 1996; "Dances with Wolves" beating
"Goodfellas" in 1990 and "Gandhi" beating "E.T" in 1982 and on and on. I
remember being angry when Oliver Stone's "Platoon" beat Woody Allen's "Hannah"
in '86, the latter film much decorated in the all-important acting and
screenplay categories. And last week, I put on "Shawshank" on the DVD player
and my wife and I were in tears all over again. Still a great picture.
** I know the Oscars are such bullshit (and not the original point of Doug
and Kirby's posts below) -- and I know these trophies are laden with the
"politics of their day" -- which have proven time and again that the Academy's
choices do not a classic make. But if "Avatar" loses, I sense many will feel
like they've witnessed the "crime of the century," further exposing the gulf
between the Academy and popular sentiment (arguably as they should be) -- but
over a picture that is not only a box-office smash, but has also received
good-to-great reviews. I won't mind if "Avatar" wins because I do know people
who think despite its high-school-ish script (esp. the romance) -- that the
picture is a critical and commercial juggernaut that should NOT be denied the
biggest prize on March 7, which has forced many production companies to re-tool
their future releases to integrate the 3D format in a "non-intrusive" way,
which is "Avatar's" biggest strength.
** Despite 10 Best Picture nominees, I'm kind of indifferent this year, not
one film screams "stupendous." But I was emotionally responsive to 5 of the
nearly 35 films released in 2009, one of which is not even among the 10
nominees: "The Hurt Locker," "The Blind Side," "Up," "Inglourious Basterds"
(despite its excesses) -- and "The (500) Days of Summer," the latter which I
thought was going to be a stupid, sophomoric young-love beach film -- but
turned out to be a new way of telling a story about a broken urban romance that
doesn't get near a beach or a keg-party. Wonderful surprise.
** A digression -- I did not object to "Annie Hall" beating "Star Wars" in
1977. "Annie Hall" was a film I saw in contemporaneous release and I did feel
at the time that it broke new ground for Woody Allen and for the "urban comedy
genre" in a different way that "Star Wars" broke bigger ground for family
entertainment the same year. But I also vividly remember going to work the
next day. My work mates asked me, with great incredulity, "Star Wars lost to
Annie WHAT? Your movie choices SUCK." I loved both films but I've never
forgotten how that experience exposed me as a high-button, stuck-up,
holier-than-thou snob. -d.
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:31:56 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: AVATAR
> To: [email protected]
>
> Much better script than Titanic, although a story line we've seen 1,000
> times the last 90 years.
>
> I've haven't seen anything better this year. I had high hopes for Hurt
> Locker, but it just doesn't pack the punch to compete.
>
> Regards
>
> DBT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kirby
McDaniel
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:18 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [MOPO] AVATAR
>
> Here's my reaction.
>
> I finally saw it.
>
> Spectacularly realized. Doesn't lag much. Screenwriting is a little
> stilted at times while trying to explain things to audience 8 to 80, but
> that's quibbling. Gorgeous in 3D on the full IMAX screen. 3D is some of
the best I've ever
> seen in that it seems to be "of a piece" with the film after a while.
Very beautiful to
> look at. Reminded me at various times of aspects of other films -
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA,
> ALIENS, of course, THE STAR WARS stuff, naturally, although without the
Flash
> Gordon cornball factor, especially RETURN OF THE JEDI with it's scenes of
the ewoks.
> And BAMBI of all things -- I was looking at some of the color in the
Disney
> animation the other day, and some of the same coloration and tone in
AVATAR.
> So huge in its palette that one just simply has to hand it to James
Cameron - he
> must be some kind of superman. The film is laden with messages, but it's
> all stuff I can pretty much get behind. What surprised me was how touching
> it was at times.
>
> Oh yeah, really cute people. And they're blue. It's not easy being blue.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
> MovieArt Original Film Posters
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> Austin TX 78765-4419
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