Doug, I really like you, and know you are a great guy, but I think you clearly did not think this through when you posted it. I won't "beat a dead horse" in going over WHY this surely wasn't shill bidding (except to add that in auctions where they cheat you this way, they usually enter a single bid just under what you bid).
I have known Rich from before the beginning, and I think everyone who knows him can tell you that not only is he honest, but he is honest to a fault, and if he says there was nothing wrong in this auction then I am 100% sure there was nothing wrong (and of course, all the evidence 100% backs up what he says). One thing should be painfully obvious. Guys like Rich and me who sell tons of stuff for a dollar or two each clearly have honest auctions just on that fact alone. In some auctions there are next-to-no good buys (because of secret reserves, house bidders buying items, and consignors bidding on their own items) but that is surely not the case in Rich's auctions, or mine. How about simply posting a short post that says that on reflection you see you were posting out of frustration and emotion, and that you retract what you said and that you apologize? I would think the Rich I know would be able to completely forget about it, and we could all move on. Bruce On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:46 AM, James Richard <[email protected]>wrote: > Doug, > > Man, pull your head out of the sand or wherever you've got it stashed and > stop blithering. There was nothing whatsoever strange about the way the > bidding went. It is called an *auction*, Doug, and this is what happens when > two people want the same item and they each think if they just bid another > $2 bucks the other guy will give up. It's called a "bidding war" -- and > although we usually think of a bidding war as involving bid increments than > $2 at a time, there is no reason two people can't engage in a bidding war > with $2 increments -- in fact, you and this other bidder just proved that. > > How do you figure that what this bidder did -- bidding $2 every time you > had the top bid -- was any different from what you were doing to him? Every > time he had the top bid, but you bid another $2 against him. So *you* were > the shill, Doug, driving up the price to him. > > He just outlasted you and won the item in the end, is all. > > So you're pissed that you lost a perfectly normal auction. It happens > thousands of times a day. Either get over it or get out of the game. But > publicly posting a foul accusation like this against Rich and MPB -- when > there was no evidence whatsoever that there was anything unusual about the > auction -- is just plain childish. And wrong. To keep insisting you must be > right about this when so many other people on this list have explained why > you are way off base is equally childish. > > I find it hard to believe you've never come across a similar > small-increment bidding war situation in your 11 years of bidding. Could it > be that this is one of the few you've lost out on and so that's what makes > it "unusual" for you? > > Your definition of a "true bidder" is -- and how such a person will bid / > should bid (according to you) -- is so far from reality it doesn't even bear > commenting on. > > -- JR > > > Douglas Ball wrote: > > I've bid on email auctions now for the last 11 years almost daily. Also > every time a new bidder to the system may bid this way until they get the > hang of things, but one thing they almost never do is drive an item up that > high, one small amount at a time... a lack of trust. Once they are relaxed > with the auctions and the sellers they will then start to set reserves for > themselves. > This bidder (if a true bidder), only objective was to drive the price of > this poster up hoping that I would go even higher. I would be very surprised > if they make a payment for that poster. I doubt that anyone will ever > know... > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Zeev Drach <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] My expirence with Rich tonight > > I don’t think a shill bidder would be so obvious as to bid 27 times at $2 > increments. > > > > Zeev > > > > > > > > *From:* MoPo List > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Douglas Ball > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:24 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [MOPO] My expirence with Rich tonight > > > > I just got done with and auction on Mopobid tonight that is and will leave > a sour taste and just might make me think twice in bidding on another > auction in the near future on Rich's auctions. > > Tonight I bid on "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" 40x60. At 8:18 tonight a buyer > with the ID of samiam101 (0) feedback with approx. 2mins left in the > auction. I came in again at 8:27 almost missing the auction. I was high at > 105.01. From that bid until 9:05, that bidder bid 27 bids @ $2.00 per bid w/ > 3 or 2m left in the extended auction until the bidder finally won it for > $161.10. > > Now I'M like just about anyone else who takes loosing with winning, but in > this case I believe it was not a bidder who never bid on any auctions in the > past, but a shill bidder. > > Since you can not view auctions that have ended on Rich's site unless you > bid or follow, I'm just curious how many others had an experience tonight > with samiam 101 with (0) feedback! > > > > Doug > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
