Ed, I get what you are doing, which is why I made the suggestion I did. I understand that LAMPis far more than an image database. We need a data base of ALL info on every movie poster out there, as you stated. ExpressoBeans is trying to do the same thing for art prints and are doing alright, but they are too broad in scope. LAMP, on the other hand, deals just with movie posters. I understand the programs not matching up as well as your concerns with collectors uploading their stuff. My point is that collectors would be more inclined to actively participate if the program was more like EB, but I understand your desire to control the site and all submissions...I was just hoping you might be willing to create a database we can all contribute to, so we can have the maximum amount of poster info in the shortest amount of time. OK, I'm an idealist. Thanks for all the hard work you and Sue have done over the years, you have come a long way.
Regards, Gary > Hi Gary, > Thank you for your suggestions. We realize that the hobby doesn't quite > understand what we're doing and why. Let me take this opportunity to try > to > explain a little more. > > We spent 10 months designing our database not only as a repository for > poster images but also as a research tool that could eventually be used > for > verification. Our son-in-law is a master programmer for the Navy and > specially designed it for us. We initially considered allowing dealers and > collectors the ability to upload, but it came down to a choice of > simplifying the programming to allow outside submissions or creating it > for > unlimited sortability. In other words, when I load images, I go through 4 > pages of programming without the images. We take everything that we can > off > the poster... printer info, litho plate numbers, nss numbers, artist info, > studio logo info, distribution info, etc.. > > This is why our database is so unique. You can sort by EVERYTHING... You > want to see what posters we have with Filmkeuring stamps on them, you can > sort by censor stamps, or by anniversary posters or reissues(or any other > type), distributors, genre, printers... literally thousands of variables. > And you may ask WHY would you want to???? This has already begun to > produce > MASSIVE amounts of information on the hobby that has NEVER been available > before. It is the basis of most of our 9 reference books that we have > published. We've established base documentation in areas such as NSS; > production codes; artists; reissues; lithographers & plate numbers and a > lot > more. > > We tried 2 years ago to work on the problem of legimate pricing > information. > We gathered 60,000 prices for the Dealers Market to use to create it and > wrote the program. We wasted almost a year trying to get the programming > to > work in conjunction with our existing database until we finally gave up. > The > 2 programs were too complicated to intertwine. We will have to completely > redesign our database with this programming from the start. Over the past > 5 > years since we first designed the database, I've been learning what else > was > needed and we're planning next year to start on the new program with all > of > these changes included. We have a lot of new features that we want to > include when we redo the database such as: automatic updating of a sales > price; collectors able to keep their collections in a special section; the > ability to keep wish lists and cross reference who has them, etc. > > So far every page on LAMP has been put on by Sue or myself. We have now > gotten large enough that we are getting attention from major academic > facilities (such as the Academy, Library of Congress, Harvard, > Smithsonian, > etc), so we are trying to branch out to a local college for help. We've > had > our first talks with them which has been very positive and hope that we > will > be able to work with them in training personnel that will in turn give us > trained labor for adding material faster on LAMP. The academic community > is > learning very rapidly that we are unique and there's no one else in the > world gathering the information that we have. > > Unfortunately, we can't go as fast as collectors might want for the images > because we're not just building a repository of images. You can go other > places to find the LOTS and LOTS of pretty pictures... but if you want the > information... you have to come to LAMP. > > But again, I thank you for your suggestions and hope this explains more > > Best, > > ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Old > Time > Cinema > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] images > > Hi Ed - > > Just a suggestion, but you may want to consider using a situation like > ExpressoBeans - where collectors can upload the pictures directly, adding > sales info and other details with each upload. You would still get to > edit every submission yourself, but you would have many more images that > you would know what to do with, and you could also start an authentic > database of realtime sales...which we are sorely lacking. Also, each > poster would have its own comments section/blog, so people can correct any > mistakes you might miss. > > This is something that is desperately needed, and the ExpressoBeans site, > while it has movie posters, is not really set up for movie posters and the > folks running the site generally do not like movie posters. > > Just an idea, if you don't do it I'm sure someone will eventually - there > is an opportunity here that is a good one, IMHO. > > Regards, > Gary > > > > > >> Hi All, >> >> Most collectors don't realize that one of the main objectives of LAMP is >> to >> try to document every poster ever issued that is still in existence or >> at >> least documented. Yes, we realize that this is a completely ridiculous >> project, but someone has to do it. The problem is that the poster >> collecting >> hobby was so far behind most major hobbies due to a lack of any valid >> documentation. Consequently, documentation had to be created for any >> type >> of >> verification to be established (which is one of the other main >> objectives >> of >> LAMP). Without valid documentation, everything just becomes pretty >> pictures >> and hearsay. This is a LOT more difficult and a LOT slower, but >> necessary >> for any future benefit. Every day (7 days a week) we're hard at work to >> try >> to accomplish as much of this as possible before it's lost. (and yes, we >> have no life) >> >> >> >> Since collectors love to look at images, it was suggested that we let >> more >> collectors know what images we're adding to our archive. On the 7th of >> last >> month I started documenting the titles as I updated them. I keep a queue >> of >> 30-50,000 poster images waiting to go online and currently have a little >> over 81,000 posters online and cross referenced. When I work on a title, >> I >> try to add all that is in my queue on that title that is presentable. >> Some >> rarer titles only have one or two images, while more popular titles have >> dozens from a variety of countries. This allows you to look at all the >> variations at one time. >> >> >> >> Here is a list of what we added for the end of March. You can click on >> the >> title a go directly to the thumbnails for that title and see what we've >> documented so far. If anyone has additional images on any of the titles >> and >> would like to submit them, we will be glad to give credit if it is one >> that >> we can use. >> >> >> >> If this is something the forum would enjoy, let me know and I will >> present >> a >> new list each month >> >> >> >> >> 14, >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=24153> >> The 1973 >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=3> >> Abbott and Costello in the Foreign Legion 1950 >> Alaskan >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189202> >> 1924 >> Ali >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=69870> >> Baba and the Forty Thieves 1944 >> Alice >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=26091> >> in >> Wonderland: X Rated Musical 1976 >> Argyle >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81269> >> Case 1929 >> Avalanche >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=27902> >> 1978 >> Bachelor's >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189221> >> Baby 1927 >> Back >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189205> >> Home and Broke 1922 >> Bond >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=122704> >> of Fear 1917 >> Bongolo >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189217> >> and the Negro Princess 1952 >> Bullshot >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=32327> >> 1983 >> Burnt >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=26696> >> Offerings 1976 >> Butch >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=16722> >> Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 1969 >> Calamity >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=3125> >> Jane 1953 >> Canadian >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189201> >> 1926 >> Cappy >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=167772> >> Ricks 1921 >> Carmen >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=112309> >> 1984 >> Cat >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=31549> >> People 1982 >> Chorus >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=37831> >> of >> Disapproval 1988 >> City >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189200> >> Gone Wild 1927 >> Comeback >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=31576> >> 1982 >> Coming >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189204> >> Through 1925 >> Confessions >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=164800> >> of a Police Captain 1972 >> Confessions >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189229> >> of a Queen 1925 >> Country >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189227> >> Doctor 1927 >> Day >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=25318> >> of the Locust 1975 >> Day >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=11414> >> of the Triffids 1962 >> Docks >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=76455> >> of >> San Francisco 1932 >> Dressmaker >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189218> >> From Paris 1925 >> Easy >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189206> >> Road 1921 >> Fighting >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189222> >> Fate 1921 >> Fools >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189223> >> and Riches 1923 >> Forbidden >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=128759> >> City 1918 >> Fornicon >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=15328> >> 1970 >> Frenchie >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=1251> >> 1951 >> Funny >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=16413> >> Girl 1969 >> Glad >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81374> >> Rag Doll 1929 >> Going >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=129924> >> Straight 1916 >> Grand >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=27316> >> Theft Auto 1977 >> Hardboiled >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81390> >> Rose 1929 >> Heart >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=131030> >> Strings 1920 >> Hell >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189233> >> Diggers 1921 >> Her >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=131511> >> Purchase Price 1919 >> Hiroshima >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=9058> >> Mon >> Amour 1959 >> Homeward >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189203> >> Bound 1923 >> Honeysuckle >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=30031> >> Rose 1980 >> Honor >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=132522> >> of the Regiment 1913 >> I >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=167348> >> Am the Law 1922 >> I >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=40538> >> Come in Peace 1990 >> I >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=82252> >> Married Adventure 1940 >> Immoral >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=9079> >> Mr. >> Teas 1959 >> Internes >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=72915> >> Can't Take Money 1937 >> Irish >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189207> >> Luck 1925 >> Iron >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81424> >> Mask 1929 >> Johnny >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=22090> >> Got His Gun 1971 >> Kingdom, >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189215> >> The 1994 >> Lion >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189224> >> and the Souse 1924 >> Lola >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=89235> >> 1961 >> Lost >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=5759> >> Tribe 1949 >> M'Liss >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=137112> >> 1918 >> Man >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189208> >> Who Found Himself 1925 >> Manslaughter >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=89883> >> 1922 >> Maschera >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=83907> >> del Demonio (Black Sunday) 1960 >> Mating >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189209> >> Call 1928 >> Miracle >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=88500> >> Man 1919 >> Moral >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189230> >> of the Lady Letty 1922 >> Naughty >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=4423> >> New >> Orleans 1954 >> Never >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=139693> >> Too Old to Woo 1917 >> New >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189210> >> Klondike 1926 >> Night >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=83855> >> Ride 1930 >> Office >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81509> >> Scandal 1929 >> Oklahoma! >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=5300> >> 1955 >> Pawnee >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=7467> >> 1957 >> Peck's >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=78439> >> Bad Boy 1934 >> Penrod >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189213> >> 1922 >> Peter >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=3770> >> Pan >> 1953 >> Pershing's >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=141521> >> Crusaders 1918 >> Pi >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=52920> >> 1998 >> Pickup >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=1858> >> 1951 >> Pied >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189211> >> Piper Malone 1924 >> Planet >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=16176> >> of >> the Apes 1968 >> Playing >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=50843> >> God 1997 >> Point >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=21769> >> of >> Terror 1971 >> Racket >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=89622> >> 1928 >> Rackety >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=76850> >> Rax 1932 >> Rainbow >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=79692> >> Ranch 1933 >> Rancho >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=2572> >> Notorious 1952 >> Rejuvenation >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189219> >> of Aunt Mary 1927 >> Remains >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=45006> >> of >> the Day 1993 >> Ride >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=67463> >> On >> Vaquero 1941 >> Ride >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=74324> >> Ranger Ride 1936 >> Rituals >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=27793> >> 1977 >> Road >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=18272> >> House 1948 >> Rock >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=29169> >> 'n' Roll High School 1979 >> Sally >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189225> >> 1925 >> Scene >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=5970> >> of >> the Crime 1949 >> Secret >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=18301> >> Beyond the Door 1947 >> See >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=71106> >> My Lawyer 1945 >> Silent >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189231> >> Partner 1923 >> Slaves >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=73320> >> in >> Bondage 1937 >> Son >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189226> >> of Wallingford 1921 >> Sound >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=13952> >> of >> Music 1965 >> Southerner >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=71142> >> 1945 >> Sporting >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189220> >> Venus 1925 >> Summer >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=9462> >> Place 1959 >> Tale >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=8620> >> of Two Cities 1958 >> Taste >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=10863> >> of >> Honey 1961 >> They >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=19158> >> Won't Believe Me 1947 >> This >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=12125> >> Sporting Life 1963 >> Tin >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189198> >> Gods 1926 >> Thunderbolt >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=148022> >> 1919 >> Twin >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189228> >> Husbands 1922 >> We're >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189212> >> All Gamblers 1927 >> Wheel >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=81637> >> of >> Life 1929 >> Whole >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=79526> >> Town Talking 1935 >> Why >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=151456> >> Change Your Wife 1920 >> Wicker >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=24149> >> Man 1973 >> Wild >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=11684> >> Gals of the Naked West 1962 >> Wolf's >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189232> >> Trail 1927 >> Woman >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=166901> >> Against Woman, or, Rescued in the Clouds 1914 >> Woman-Proof >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=189199> >> 1923 >> Yolanda >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/release.asp?rid=89695> >> 1924 >> >> >> Best, >> >> ed Poole >> >> [email protected] >> >> owner >> >> LearnAboutMoviePosters.com <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/> >> >> MoviePosterDataBase.com >> <http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/MOVIES/MPDB.asp> >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14820) >> http://www.pctools.com >> <http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51> >> ======= >> >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> 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