I have a few CGC graded stills. To be honest, I wasn't thrilled about getting them but the scenes were unique so I bought them. Maybe I'm a fogey, too, but I like the touch of old paper and the thrill of seeing it as it was then, minus the vagaries of time. Framing things doesn't affect this feeling because I know that whatever it is can easily come out of the frame (Sue's, by the way ;)
Nathalie On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Phil Edwards <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for writing just about what I was thinking, Bruce. > > I see no one has answered the question you asked about who owns, or has an > interest in CGC. > > And no one has yet answered John Reid's question about the cost of slabbing > a single lobby card. Is it a flat fee or a percentage of the > "value" of the grading, or the perceived value of the card? If the latter, > how is the value arrived at? > > What guarantee does one have that any of the CGC graders do not have a > vested interest, even if removed, from how a card is graded? Can we see a > list of names of the CGC graders who graded the cards for the Heritage > auction? How have they been fully informed of the Universal fakes? > Phil E. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Slabbed Lobby Cards at Heritage > > I too hate slabbing, especially on comic books where it makes them > unreadable. Why not start slabbing particularly fine examples of food, so it > will become un-eatable? > > But here is how it will likely go: > > An unnamed auction house or two will start auctioning more and more of > these monstrosities. They will auction for two to ten times the regular > prices (we will never see the high bidders, so we won't know if the results > are real, or if it is a house bidder "buying" from themselves). > > But people will want in on this "free money". and they will start > submitting their own lobbies to be slabbed, and for a while they will get > great results, and that will encourage them to slab lots more, and others > will start doing the same. > > Then an unnamed dealer will have an "all-slabbed" auction on eBay, and the > results will be amazing, and everyone will start to sing the praises of > slabbing (except for a few old fogies like me, Phil Edwards, Rich Halegua, > and others) and we will quit selling lobbies altogether, and they will be > purchased by the same investors who have overrun other hobbies, and before > too much longer a lot of the new "collectors" will say, "I only buy slabbed > lobbies, because I KNOW what I am getting", as if buying an item that some > paid employee looked at for a minute is more trustworthy than buying an item > from a dealer who has collected and bought and sold lobbies for 20 or 30 > years! > > At least that's how it played out in comic books, baseball cards, and > coins. > > Some questions: > > 1) WHO owns the grading service who slabs these (and if a major auction > owns even a small percentage of them, then isn't that a massive conflict of > interest)? > 2) Every top dealer (except for one) has admitted they would have been > fooled by the Haggard fakes, and in fact most were, and a leading restorer > was fooled by a recreation of an ultra-expensive one-sheet. Isn't that proof > that the last thing we need is some new people being paid to authenticate > and grade lobby cards? > 3) In other hobbies (comic books, baseball cards, and coins), slabbing has > siphoned millions of dollars out of collector's hands, and has driven out > lots of the collectors who have a love of the items, and brought in a lot of > "investor" types, and has created a "bubble" in prices not unlike that seen > in the stock market or real estate markets. Is that what we want for our > hobby? > > Bruce > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Phil Edwards <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would never bid on a slabbed anything. >> The reasons are painfully obvious, aren't they? >> Phil E. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:03 PM >> *Subject:* [MOPO] Slabbed Lobby Cards at Heritage >> >> I have been browsing through the latest Heritage catalogue and once >> again it is very impressive. One thing that will be of interest to many is >> that amount of "slabbed" lobby cards that appear in this auction. A great >> many look to be sealed in some sort of plastic with a grading by CGC whoever >> they may be. >> >> I have never been too keen on the idea of slabbed lobby cards and wonder >> what you guys think about them. My concerns are: >> >> >> - Slabbing and grading the cards would add to the overall cost of the >> cards and surely it would be hardly worthwhile on lobby cards of medium >> value - say $200.00 >> - What materials are used when slabbing the cards? Is the plastic and >> materials used to slab the card acid free, uv protected, etc? >> - It looks as though the plastic may be flexible ie it could be bent >> or creased. Does slabbing protect the card from any damage? >> - How does slabbing affect framing? >> - What happens if sunlight affects the card? >> - If damage occurrs whilst the card is slabbed can the card be >> regraded? >> - How will this "trend" affect lobby cards that have not been slabbed? >> - Will the value of lobby cards be increased or decreased by slabbing? >> I know that some collectors will prefer to have the card in its original >> state and will avoid purchasing cards that have been slabbed. No doubt, >> there will be others who will like the idea. >> >> >> Regards >> John >> >> >> Website: www.moviemem.com >> >> JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA >> PO Box 92 >> Palm Beach >> Qld 4221 >> Australia >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> ___________________________________________________________________ How >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: >> [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF >> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> ___________________________________________________________________ How >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: >> [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF >> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >> >> > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
