Last night someone hacked my e mail address. Just in case anyone got an e mail, I am not in trouble and not in need of money! Sorry for any inconvenience. Jim
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Zeev Drach <[email protected]> wrote: > Evan, > > Even though at the very end of your post you go along with my contention, > there are a couple of points in what you said that I am uneasy with: > First of, my suggestion was NOT to pick your favorite, because of skewed > perception. > Secondly, I thought that doin' it in your mind will avoid making the whole > thing an "exact science", because my number 3 is just something I picked out > off the cuff. I won't swear to it. > Lastly, and that is the most important, who gives those IMDB ratings, and > what the heck are they worth? I don't exactly know, but I suspect not a heck > of a lot. Case in point, of all Brando's great contribution to the world of > motion pictures, 6 received an above 8.00 rating. But wait a minute, in the > #3 spot is The Godfather-the VIDEO GAME!!, in the #5 spot is that "great" > 2001 TV documentary starring Michael Jackson, and the first runner up in the > #7 spot is "Roots: The Next Generation". > See what I'm getting at? > Clearly, those ratings are compiled by a computer based on popular voting > which happen to be mostly the very young audience. > Not wrong, but very skewed. > > Zeev > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:08 AM > To: Zeev Drach > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > > Don't trust you mind -- this is the age of the internet. > > Pick a star, find them in IMDB, and look at their film credits sorted by > rating. If you assume (like I do) that anything rated 8 or above is a truly > great film, I think you will be surprised at what you find. > > My favorite star has always been James Stewart and to his credit: > > (8.70) - It's a Wonderful Life (1946) > (8.70) - Rear Window (1954) > (8.60) - Vertigo (1958) > (8.40) - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939) > (8.10) - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) > (8.10) - Rope (1948) > (8.10) - The Philadelphia Story (1940) > (8.10) - Anatomy of a Murder (1959) > (8.10) - Harvey (1950) > (8.09) - The Shop Around the Corner (1940) > > Not to mention nearly another 30 (WOW!) respectable films rated 7 or > higher. > > However, I think that he is the exception -- and I suspect that your number > (3) is dead on! > > Evan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zeev Drach" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2011 4:20:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > > > > I have long held to the idea that if a big-name actor has 3 truly great > films to his/her credit, then he/she is doing very well. I know, it doesn’t > sound like much but if you play this game, pick at random a big star(not > your favorite though, because then you’re not objective) and go over in your > mind through his achievements, you’d soon realize that it’s not easy to come > up with 5 truly great movies spread out over an entire career. That would > be the domain of the true superstars! And there aren’t many of those. > > > > > > From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard > Halegua Comic Art > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > > > Clark Gable is known for 2-3 films today (for the most part) > GWTW > It Happened One Night > the Misfits (because of Marilyn) > > otherwise, he is entirely forgotten and that is a shame as he was a fine > actor > > > At 01:46 PM 1/5/2011, Dave Rosen wrote: > > > >  > For some of these stars (James Dean in particular) some of the lobbies and > 8x10s (at least color 8x10s, where they exist) are much better than any of > the posters of any format for their movies. > > Ultimately, as time passes, collectors age, trends and fashions change, > many former "icons" will only be known for one or two of their films, while > others will cease to be "icons" altogether, joining the vanished stars of > the silent era. And the process is probably helped along by the lack of > attractive movie paper on them. > > It's sad to watch this happen, especially with a star the calibre of > Brando, who was (and to a large extent remains) a very influential movie > actor. But that's just the way it is... > > Dave > > Posteropolis Vintage Movie Posters > http://www.posteropolis.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Neil Jaworski > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > i agree with Zeev and it's interesting that Brando, Clift and Dean were > each served by terrible US campaigns for all their major films: > > A Place In The Sun, From Here To Eternity, Suddenly Last Summer, On The > Waterfront, Streetcar Named Desire, The Wild One, I Confess, Rebel, Giant, > East Of Eden.... > > all pretty awful campaigns and so none of these actors has a single US > poster that truly shows them at their peak. clift looks only so-so on the > uninspired A Place In The Sun 1sh. a better image is The Heiress 3sh (on > the 1sh he's largely hidden as per I Confess and much of his other paper). > > was clift too pretty for public consumption? the best clift portrait must > actually be the one on his section of The Young Lions 1sh (although ruining > things on this poster is brando who looks more like derren nesbitt). > > > > james dean posters, including rebel, I find very meh. who designed the > East Of Eden campaign? a monkey who's acquired production stills, scissors, > cataracts and a vendetta by the looks of things. > > it's a wonder these guys became icons at all. this wouldn't have been > allowed to happen in the 1930/40s.... > > n > > > > --- On Wed, 5/1/11, Zeev Drach <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Zeev Drach <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, 5 January, 2011, 19:58 > > Dave, > > > > You are so right about the “softness†of most of Brando’s paper, > sadly however, this is true for most of the big names of the 40’s and > 50’s. Who the heck collects Gregory Peck as an actor(as opposed to a > couple of titles in which he’s in) these day? Or Spencer Tracy, or > Anthony Quinn, Paul Newman, Kirk Douglas, or even Clark Gable? And the list > goes on and on. They’re all giants, we’d all agree, but the number > collectors who care about them is dwindling fast. > > Marlon Brando, I think, could’ve been(and one day might still be) an > exception, because he was an icon while still alive. The added problem with > Brando paper, and now I’m getting back to the original topic, is that the > design of the posters, even and especially for his key titles, is so poor > and uninspiring. You can go over them one by one, Streetcar Named Desire, > The Wild One, On the Waterfront, and others, and you won’t find even > ONE(!) decent design. > > > > Sorry for going on like this, but that’s obviously a touchy subject with > me.. ;-) > > > > Zeev > > > > > > From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Dave > Rosen > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:15 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > > > I agree. Rarity aside, it's all about taste, personal interest and, > ultimately, how many collectors want it and how far they are willing to go > to get it. > > > > Yes, this poster is goofy-looking. Yes, the market for Brando material > outside of Waterfront and Streetcar is a little soft. However, that aside, I > have a number of motorcycle enthusiasts among my clients, as I'm sure do > many other dealers. They like their bikes and they like anything to do with > bikes, including anything to do with biker movies. This was the first biker > movie but it was released with very little paper that actually shows > motorcycles! That reason alone would probably be enough to drive a number of > collectors to want this poster...badly. They don't have to be fans of Brando > or even good poster art. > > > > As to whether it would reach the appraisal estimate, only an auction could > determine that. > > > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard Evans > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > > > Think that goofiness will be a plus for some, got a lot of kitsch appeal. > > Though the irony may wear thin. > > > > On 5 Jan 2011, at 17:40, Kirby McDaniel wrote: > > > > > Hi, Zeev et al > > > > I'm not a collector at all; I'm a seller. I collect other things like > recordings and cookbooks. > > Who knew? > > > > The recovery of any unknown poster is interesting, particularly for a title > like THE WILD ONE. > > Your DRAGSTRIP RIOT comment is very perceptive -- obviously this poster was > copied from that > > very wonderful image. In RIOT, however, the overall design of the poster, > its context and and the kinetics of the moment depicted make the > wrench-brandishing exciting and menacing, whereas in the > > Brando poster it's merely goofy. > > > > Please know that I'm not disparaging Rudy's evaluation of the poster. He > could be quite correct. > > With something that has not been seen, especially for an iconic figure like > Brando, one could > > expect some kind of brisk performance at auction. > > > > One might sell for $3500. > > > > But how would five or six sell? > > > > Would the price hold up as has been demonstrable for, say, DRAGSTRIP RIOT? > > > > Kirby > > > > Kirby McDaniel > > MovieArt Original Film Posters > > P.O. Box 4419 > > Austin TX 78765-4419 > > 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net > > mobile 512 589 5112 > > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Zeev Drach wrote: > > > > > Kirby, I’m guessing you’re not a Brando collector, otherwise I can’t > see how you could dismiss this find so easily. > > You are right, the realistic accuracy of the design would not matter to > Brando fans and collectors (and I am one of them) in this case. I mean, the > discovery of a Brando poster, for one of his key roles, that features art > that (almost?) no one has ever seen before is a major find, in my opinion. > I think all collectors with even a passing interest in Brando would be > floored by this poster. > > As to the question “who rides a motorcycle like that?†I refer you to > Dragstrip Riot(1958) > http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_poster/dragstrip_riot_1958.htm > > from where the image was most certainly lifted. > > I’m not familiar with the design of the Hot Blood insert. Is it > different from the standard Wild One insert? > > Zeev > > From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Kirby > McDaniel > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:44 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one? > > Thanks for posting this. I did not see my esteemed colleague Mr. Franchi > on ANTIQUES ROADSHOW with this undeniably rare reissue 40x60, so I am > interested to read this post. > > Rare it may be, and perhaps some Brando completist would pay the estimate, > but if the design of this poster were to count at all, the film would be > entitled THE WEIRD ONE. > > Who rides a motorcycle like that? Waving a wrench about! Ludicrous! And > where is the locale? Is this in the film? They look like they're riding > thru the set of CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN. > > Ugly! Give me one of the nice lobbies and I'll call that the prettiest > poster on the film. Or the HOT BLOOD insert. > > My two centavos. > > Kirby McDaniel > > www.movieart.net > > On Jan 4, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: > > > > > > Just watched this online. It's Rudy's appraisal of a Wild One 40x60 from > last night's Antiques Roadshow. Never saw one of these before. Might be the > best US paper for the movie. > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201003A12.html > > Dave > > Posteropolis Vintage Movie Posters > > http://www.posteropolis.com/ > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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