everything Peter says is 100% correct, including
the race to the bottom part....
At 07:59 AM 2/26/2015, peter contarino wrote:
Allen,
That will never happen. Hershenson doesnât
even bother to attend or support Cinevent. HA
would laugh at Grey if he suggested it. As David
said it really is an act of philanthropy or more
to the point a labor of love. The problem I see
coming is that although it is not a money maker
for Steve H, he has the benefit of it being more
or less on auto-pilot as it has been the same
show at the same venue for decades. That is not
to say he doesnât put a lot of effort into it,
donât misunderstand. It is just exponentially
easier to keep doing what he has been doing
forever than upending and not only finding a new
venue but also rethinking marketing and so forth
that will be required to get attendance up,
because attendance is the real issue.
I will have to take issue with you Zeev. If you
are referring to dealers, we have been
supporting this event forever. I could make more
$$ out of my own room than buying tables and
sitting behind them like a caged animal(âthat
thar is what we call a dealer son, they are an
endangered species
â). If you are referring to
collectors rather, Zeev, then I will take issue
with that statement as well. An event must do
what it takes to draw people. I donât care
what attendance numbers have been claimed over
the past few years, the fact is that poster
dealers have been outnumbering poster collectors
for awhile now. The room is dead. Most of the
attendees are watching movies, not buying
posters. To Dave Râs point, and as Ade points
out, it is largely a social event for us to see
our poster friends. All well and good, this is
certainly the best part for me, but if we are
getting back to the matter at hand, carrying on
a major show, and moreover the future of same,
we must talk about the reality of what this show
has become, why, and how to address it going forward.
Terrible venue.
Terrible date. Memorial weekend is a giant pain
in the ass for people to travel and be away from their families.
No marketing. Ohio State University is one of
the largest schools in the country and happens
to be in Columbus. 60K students. Even 1% would
yield 600 attendees. But they are out of school
mere weeks earlier. It seems that if you want to
inject new blood, this would be a fantastic
source to tap. Hold the event a few weeks
earlier and paper the campus, hit college radio,
call the local news and get them to do a
segment. They would eat it up. And so on. These
are just a few ideas off the cuff. Iâm sure
there are many other things that could be done.
Auction. There was a time when the auction was a
pretty decent event. With one exception the past
several auctions have yielded nearly an 80% pass
rate. Draw your own conclusions.
So. What to do? I canât see the southeast as
viable. We have never hosted a real event and it
would take some time and money to grow it. The
West coast would be a hump for many of the
dealers and it already holds shows. Major cities
like NYC and Chicago are cost prohibitive. Dealers barely cover expenses now.
Honestly the best suggestion is Austin.
Everybody wants to go there even without an
event happening. It is a great city and supports
the arts in a major way. I think a poster show
could do really well there. Tie it in with a
Film event and throw in a decent auction and you
may well have a winner. Of course this comes
full circle: who wants to put the time and
effort into this? I would certainly support it
and I would be willing to put additional
resources into programming Movie Poster Exchange
to host the auction in real-time online. I will
be in the minority however. This hobby feels
like a race to the bottom and I see very little effort by dealers to grow it.
From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of allen day
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Will Cinevent take place this year?
Hi Zeev et al,
I can think of several reasons why I could not organize a show:
1. I do not know the 1st (or 2nd, 3rd, 4th,
etc..) thing regarding conventions.
2. I have a 5 year old daughter who states that
I never play with her (after coming home from
kicking the soccer ball ball around in the park for 2 hours).
3. My wife really enjoys spending $ on our
little girl, which means I need to work a lot to
keep the wife-a-roni happy (happy wife, happy life)
4. I have a full time job in health care, in
which I could work a 14 hour day every day of
the week (and have done 2x this year so far, see #3 above).
Seriously, though ...
When I read that several locations were being
'tossed around' ... I naturally wanted any new
location to be closer to where I live, so I
facetiously suggested Charlotte. I know that the
only way anything (and I mean anything) can live
/ progress / improve ... is for a constant flow
of new blood ... Charlotte is one of the fastest
growing areas in the US, a nice climate (but not
in the summer), lots of $ ... #1 (or 2) in US
banking, pro football, AAA baseball (both
stadiums downtown). That being said, there are
no heavy hitters in posters that could pull it
off (that I am aware of). Alas, the state of NC
ended tax breaks for the movie industry this year.
If there is to be a convention in a new
location, it would take $$$, time, effort to 'do
it right'. Skills in marketing, planning,
communication, events, even throw in a super
sweet auction. I know of 2 entities that would
be able to pull it off professionally without a
hitch ... emovieposter (Bruce) and Heritage
(Grey). Those 2 guys command respect, and 1000s of people listen.
ad
p.s. I'll still buy the 1st round if I ever make it to a convention.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Zeev Drach
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Allen, why donât you organize such a show?
Zeev
From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of allen day
Sent: February-25-15 9:16 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Will Cinevent take place this year?
I'm still thinking Charlotte, NC.
Lots of $$ in that town, lots of young'uns
(read: new blood), one of the fastest growing
areas, and it just happens to be a 1/2 hour away from where I live.
I'll even throw a bone ... first round is on me.
ad
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:09 PM, David Kusumoto
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Cleveland and Chicago are natural
choices. Cleveland is obvious, Chicago not so
obvious. Crazily enough, one of the better kept
secrets is the Hyatt Regency O'Hare. Flight
crews stay there; rooms are moderately priced
and clean and it's cheap to host events - as
every industry, from largest to wildest to
tiniest, hosts something there each year. Free
shuttle to and from the airport - and the hotel
is a short walk to the Metro that takes you
downtown in 30 minutes for $5. NO car rental
required. Hyatt is a pricey name, but it's the
cheapest property in greater Chicago because
it's near the airport in Rosemont and deep in the Chicago suburbs. -d.
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:21:26 -0600
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: Will Cinevent take place this year?
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Well, you know, somewhere you can fly to.
On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Adrian Cowdry
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
wrote:
From all that I have heard it would be better
if Morrie took over the event and held it in
Cleveland - it is central - start putting
Cinevent in extreme parts of the US - East or
est coast or north or south then you stand to
lose some of the dealers. Columbus was not
ideal but it was central - Cleveland is Morrie
territory and it is central. Or will Cinevent become part of Syracuse?
This Never Happened to the Other Fella....
Adrian Cowdry
<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
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From: Brek Anderson
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: MoPo-L <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 1:13
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Will Cinevent take place this year?
Hope this is not the end of Cinevent. I think
Vegas would be a great place and we all could stay at Rich's. Brek
From: "walter reuben" <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:21:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Will Cinevent take place this year?
Awesome....
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Richard Halegua
Posters + Comic Art <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
dammit.. the Ramada is finished and will
probably not reopen (ever) due to water damage.
from trip advisor:
To summarize: no heat in lobby, no cable all
weekend, some showers only had scalding hot
water, some showers only had ice cold water,
mold in rooms, dressers hadn't been dusted ever,
never got extra towels, no cups in rooms, no
refrigerator, ice makers didn't work on any
floor, phone didn't work so couldn't call front
desk, pool half full, hot tub was roped off with
a power line hanging above it, dead bat in
stairwell and to top it off....fire alarms went
off at 7 am Sunday due to pipes bursting on the
5th floor due to no heat up there. Water gushing
out of the elevators, down stairways, flooding
rooms & hallways and making at least 2 inches of
ice at the exit door. Checking out was insane
and the poor girl at the front desk had to deal
with dozens of irate customers....no management
to be found. We had over $ 4,000 worth of rooms that all refused to pay for.
so the question is at this late date will Steve
Haynes be able to find a suitable location in
time and will it necessarily increase costs to attend
I know the end of this hotel will please some..
but will you be as pleased if no replacement can be found?
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