AND if you look very very carefully you can see it is quite obvious the
poster was printed for use in the film itself...
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 4:47 PM:
It being printed in England should be some clue as to what country it
was for... to some degree, anyhow.
And there are many artistic and textual (wording) variations with this
copy. Many. Let alone the missing London Films logo in the lower
right corner. That, to me, is also key.
Put it up side by side with the known HA '49 copy and it is very clear
to see the vast array of differences.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:37 PM, David wrote:
I guess based on what has Paul said, it seems the the poster is most
likely to be from a print run for the foreign market rather than a
print run for the local (UK market) which is what the HA one appears
to be; this in itself would explain some of the minor variations, yet
it still holds some of the key features of that HA one, for instance
the same litho number, the same colours (as compared to the '49 HA
one) and also the print detail is also extremely similar to the UK
market (HA '49) one and nothing like the R50s one.
So on that basis probably the real question is not what the minor
print differences are but when was Lion International in the business
of foreign distribution. We know they were discussing distribution in
1955 as the deputy managing director Victor Hoare was spruiking his
company's films into the USA in 1955.
Of course we simply don't know what country this poster was for
either, I have checked the Australian papers and The Third Man wasn't
actually released here until about March 1950. At this time I can't
find anything about an original AU1SH or Daybill being used at the
time (I know there will be general sadness with that news in this
forum) and the film and did enjoy a solid run - it also had a
re-release here in 1952. Researching The Third Man at that time is a
landmine in itself due to the fact it is also an important position
on a cricket field and Australia were beating England 4-1 in that
year's Ashes...
But I digress... :)
I also have no idea what year the film was released in New Zealand
(where the poster currently resides), nor any other colonies and
therefore it is entirely possible that the poster was for an original
release in one of those colonies.
As to erring on the side of caution, absolutely, we all would like to
see items put up for sale with accurate information, that said he
wouldn't be the first to miss-date a poster, probably every seller
and auctioneer has done that, specially when it comes to the foreign
(non USA) paper.
David
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 3:46 PM:
Sure thing, Dave.
Better to err on the side of caution, when this kind of asking price
is involved. All may not be as it seems.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:32 PM, David Rew wrote:
The point about more research should have been done - I'll let the
seller know, or feel free to log on to BIDLL and drop the seller a
note just as you would on eBay, the seller would appreciate the advice.
regards,
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Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 2:21 AM:
* The bidll copy also has the same text at the top (as the 50RR),
wherein "A LONDON FILMS PRODUCTION" has been omitted before Korda
and Selznick's name.
* The bidll copy is missing the London Films logo in the lower
right (as is also missing from the 50s RR).
* "Distributed by Lion International Films" is present on the
bidll copy and 50s RR copy, lower left corner, and is present at
all on the '49 copy.
* And when one looks closely at the artwork (the details on the
man, and the orange cityscape behind, the large cloud in the sky)
the artwork is NOT identical; but 2 lightly different versions-
shading, detail, placements of shadows, etc.
* And lastly, the placement of the printer's info, lower right
border is not printed in the exact same location as on the 49 copy
(it is shifted more to the left, beginning under the first leg of
the N of MAN, along with the bidll copy also having the added "and
London" after the name of NOTTINGHAM.
Too many variations... and even if done for colonies, why would
all of the above being missing/different/changed? It's a different
piece entirely than the known HA '49 copy.
More research should be done on this before calling it a "for
certain" '49 original release OS, one would think.
'Tis curious indeed.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:58 AM, David wrote:
I guess the question for someone more knowledgeable on the Brit
stuff is why is there (on the HA '49) a British Censor's stamp on
a poster that was never designed to be used in the UK - as I
understand it 1shts and 3shts were printed for the colonies not
used in the UK, so no reason to print UK data on it is there?
Anyone?
allen day wrote on 19/06/2015 8:10 PM:
Geez fellas ... looks like a hybrid (in a 10 second comparison).
Logos at bottom left / right on HA's '49 example are on neither
of the other examples, however, the overall colors appear
similar to bidll example and HA '49.
ad
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:45 AM, David <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Looks nothing like the 50s re-release here:
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-selznick-r-1950s-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-/a/693-64326.s
Looks like this here:
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-london-films-1949-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-here-is-a-real-rarity-a-london-films-british-original-for/a/633-28253.s
cheers
David
Todd wrote on 19/06/2015 5:35 PM:
Isn't this the early 1950's re-release?
I thought the original release had a black background and
also had more color.
I know the last time Heritage sold this poster which was
five years ago, they listed it as an early 1950's
re-release and it sold for $900.
Todd Feiertag
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:38:07 +1000
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Subject: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The
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