Anyone can see that the poster listed on Bidll is not the same poster sold through Heritage. Aside from the difference in the image, the Heritage poster has a British censor stamp, so it was quite obviously used in Britain.
As a general rule, the British onesheet was used for export use only. Now this is a RULE, not a LAW, so exceptions are to be expected and should not surprise anyone. Emovieposter has sold at least two copies of the 1950s re-release poster. The image is identical, but the print quality is much poorer and the re-release version does not have any printer info in the bottom. London Film bought a controlling share in British Lion in 1946, and it seems quite likely that they used the company name 'Lion International Films' for their worldwide distribution. So the poster listed on Bidll is no doubt a British International Onesheet. Also, I'm fairly sure that it is indeed from the 1949 release. Just my two cents… Helmut www.filmposter.net <http://www.filmposter.net/> >> >> Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 4:47 PM: >>> It being printed in England should be some clue as to what country it was >>> for... to some degree, anyhow. >>> >>> And there are many artistic and textual (wording) variations with this >>> copy. Many. Let alone the missing London Films logo in the lower right >>> corner. That, to me, is also key. >>> >>> Put it up side by side with the known HA '49 copy and it is very clear to >>> see the vast array of differences. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:37 PM, David wrote: >>> >>>> I guess based on what has Paul said, it seems the the poster is most >>>> likely to be from a print run for the foreign market rather than a print >>>> run for the local (UK market) which is what the HA one appears to be; this >>>> in itself would explain some of the minor variations, yet it still holds >>>> some of the key features of that HA one, for instance the same litho >>>> number, the same colours (as compared to the '49 HA one) and also the >>>> print detail is also extremely similar to the UK market (HA '49) one and >>>> nothing like the R50s one. >>>> >>>> So on that basis probably the real question is not what the minor print >>>> differences are but when was Lion International in the business of foreign >>>> distribution. We know they were discussing distribution in 1955 as the >>>> deputy managing director Victor Hoare was spruiking his company's films >>>> into the USA in 1955. >>>> >>>> Of course we simply don't know what country this poster was for either, I >>>> have checked the Australian papers and The Third Man wasn't actually >>>> released here until about March 1950. At this time I can't find anything >>>> about an original AU1SH or Daybill being used at the time (I know there >>>> will be general sadness with that news in this forum) and the film and did >>>> enjoy a solid run - it also had a re-release here in 1952. Researching The >>>> Third Man at that time is a landmine in itself due to the fact it is also >>>> an important position on a cricket field and Australia were beating >>>> England 4-1 in that year's Ashes... >>>> >>>> But I digress... :) >>>> >>>> I also have no idea what year the film was released in New Zealand (where >>>> the poster currently resides), nor any other colonies and therefore it is >>>> entirely possible that the poster was for an original release in one of >>>> those colonies. >>>> >>>> As to erring on the side of caution, absolutely, we all would like to see >>>> items put up for sale with accurate information, that said he wouldn't be >>>> the first to miss-date a poster, probably every seller and auctioneer has >>>> done that, specially when it comes to the foreign (non USA) paper. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 3:46 PM: >>>>> Sure thing, Dave. >>>>> >>>>> Better to err on the side of caution, when this kind of asking price is >>>>> involved. All may not be as it seems. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:32 PM, David Rew wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The point about more research should have been done - I'll let the >>>>>> seller know, or feel free to log on to BIDLL and drop the seller a note >>>>>> just as you would on eBay, the seller would appreciate the advice. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> David Rew >>>>>> [mob] 0402 925 158 >>>>>> bidll.com >>>>>> for serious collectors >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/bidll> <https://twitter.com/bidll> >>>>>> <http://www.pinterest.com/bidll/bidll-for-the-collector/> >>>>>> <http://www.bidll.com/> >>>>>> Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 2:21 AM: >>>>>>> * The bidll copy also has the same text at the top (as the 50RR), >>>>>>> wherein "A LONDON FILMS PRODUCTION" has been omitted before Korda and >>>>>>> Selznick's name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * The bidll copy is missing the London Films logo in the lower right >>>>>>> (as is also missing from the 50s RR). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * "Distributed by Lion International Films" is present on the bidll >>>>>>> copy and 50s RR copy, lower left corner, and is present at all on the >>>>>>> '49 copy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * And when one looks closely at the artwork (the details on the man, >>>>>>> and the orange cityscape behind, the large cloud in the sky) the >>>>>>> artwork is NOT identical; but 2 lightly different versions- shading, >>>>>>> detail, placements of shadows, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * And lastly, the placement of the printer's info, lower right border >>>>>>> is not printed in the exact same location as on the 49 copy (it is >>>>>>> shifted more to the left, beginning under the first leg of the N of >>>>>>> MAN, along with the bidll copy also having the added "and London" after >>>>>>> the name of NOTTINGHAM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Too many variations... and even if done for colonies, why would all of >>>>>>> the above being missing/different/changed? It's a different piece >>>>>>> entirely than the known HA '49 copy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More research should be done on this before calling it a "for certain" >>>>>>> '49 original release OS, one would think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Tis curious indeed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:58 AM, David wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess the question for someone more knowledgeable on the Brit stuff >>>>>>>> is why is there (on the HA '49) a British Censor's stamp on a poster >>>>>>>> that was never designed to be used in the UK - as I understand it >>>>>>>> 1shts and 3shts were printed for the colonies not used in the UK, so >>>>>>>> no reason to print UK data on it is there? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> allen day wrote on 19/06/2015 8:10 PM: >>>>>>>>> Geez fellas ... looks like a hybrid (in a 10 second comparison). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Logos at bottom left / right on HA's '49 example are on neither of >>>>>>>>> the other examples, however, the overall colors appear similar to >>>>>>>>> bidll example and HA '49. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:45 AM, David <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Looks nothing like the 50s re-release here: >>>>>>>>> http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-selznick-r-1950s-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-/a/693-64326.s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-selznick-r-1950s-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-/a/693-64326.s> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks like this here: >>>>>>>>> http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-london-films-1949-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-here-is-a-real-rarity-a-london-films-british-original-for/a/633-28253.s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-london-films-1949-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-here-is-a-real-rarity-a-london-films-british-original-for/a/633-28253.s> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Todd wrote on 19/06/2015 5:35 PM: >>>>>>>>>> Isn't this the early 1950's re-release? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought the original release had a black background and also had >>>>>>>>>> more color. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know the last time Heritage sold this poster which was five years >>>>>>>>>> ago, they listed it as an early 1950's re-release and it sold for >>>>>>>>>> $900. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Todd Feiertag >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:38:07 +1000 >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third Man >>>>>>>>>> (1949) >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> An exciting find has just been listed on BIDLL by a known New >>>>>>>>>> Zealand based collector. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For overseas buyers please note - the currency is in NZ$ - that's >>>>>>>>>> almost chicken feed in most other countries! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good luck to the all bidders! 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