Seems you are good with Google and/or wikipedia.
Congrats.
:)
On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:57 PM, David wrote:
Being printed in England is a clue as to what country (the poster
was for)...how do you figure that? Here is the list of British
Colonies in 1949, let me know what country the poster was printed
for...take your time. ;)
Aden Colony
Antigua (and Barbuda)
Ashanti
Bahamas
Barbados
Basutoland
Belize
Bermuda
British Guiana
British North Borneo (and Labuan)
British Virgin Islands
Canton Island
Cayman Islands
Channel Islands
Christmas Island
Cocos (Keeling) Islands
Cyprus
Dominica
Falkland Islands (and dependencies)
Fiji
Gambia Colony
Gibraltar
Gilbert and Ellice
Islands Colony
Gold Coast Colony
Grenada
Hong Kong
Isle of Man
Jamaica
Kenya Colony
Malacca
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat
Nigeria Colony
Penang (and Province Wellesley)
Pitcairn etc
St Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla
St Helena (and dependencies)
St Lucia
St Vincent
Sarawak
Seychelles
Sierra Leone Colony
Singapore
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks & Caicos Islands
United Kingdom
Throw in the Dominions:
Australia,
Canada
New Zealand,
South Africa
Newfoundland
India
Pakistan
Ceylon
Southern Rhodesia
and don't even mention (Southern) Ireland.
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 4:47 PM:
It being printed in England should be some clue as to what country
it was for... to some degree, anyhow.
And there are many artistic and textual (wording) variations with
this copy. Many. Let alone the missing London Films logo in the
lower right corner. That, to me, is also key.
Put it up side by side with the known HA '49 copy and it is very
clear to see the vast array of differences.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:37 PM, David wrote:
I guess based on what has Paul said, it seems the the poster is
most likely to be from a print run for the foreign market rather
than a print run for the local (UK market) which is what the HA
one appears to be; this in itself would explain some
of the minor variations, yet it still holds some of the key
features of that HA one, for instance the same litho number, the
same colours (as compared to the '49 HA one) and also the print
detail is also extremely similar to the UK market (HA '49) one
and nothing like the R50s one.
So on that basis probably the real question is not what the minor
print differences are but when was Lion International in the
business of foreign distribution. We know they were discussing
distribution in 1955 as the deputy managing director Victor Hoare
was spruiking his company's films into the USA in 1955.
Of course we simply don't know what country this poster was for
either, I have checked the Australian papers and The Third Man
wasn't actually released here until about March 1950. At this
time I can't find anything about an original AU1SH or Daybill
being used at the time (I know there will be general sadness with
that news in this forum) and the film and did enjoy a solid run -
it also had a re-release here in 1952. Researching The Third Man
at that time is a landmine in itself due to the fact it is also
an important position on a cricket field and Australia were
beating England 4-1 in that year's Ashes...
But I digress... :)
I also have no idea what year the film was released in New
Zealand (where the poster currently resides), nor any other
colonies and therefore it is entirely possible that the poster
was for an original release in one of those colonies.
As to erring on the side of caution, absolutely, we all would
like to see items put up for sale with accurate information, that
said he wouldn't be the first to miss-date a poster, probably
every seller and auctioneer has done that, specially when it
comes to the foreign (non USA) paper.
David
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 3:46 PM:
Sure thing, Dave.
Better to err on the side of caution, when this kind of asking
price is involved. All may not be as it seems.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:32 PM, David Rew wrote:
The point about more research should have been done - I'll let
the seller know, or feel free to log on to BIDLL and drop the
seller a note just as you would on eBay, the seller would
appreciate the advice.
regards,
David Rew
[mob] 0402 925 158
bidll.com
for serious collectors
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 2:21 AM:
* The bidll copy also has the same text at the top (as the
50RR), wherein "A LONDON FILMS PRODUCTION" has been omitted
before Korda and Selznick's name.
* The bidll copy is missing the London Films logo in the lower
right (as is also missing from the 50s RR).
* "Distributed by Lion International Films" is present on the
bidll copy and 50s RR copy, lower left corner, and is present
at all on the '49 copy.
* And when one looks closely at the artwork (the details on
the man, and the orange cityscape behind, the large cloud in
the sky) the artwork is NOT identical; but 2 lightly different
versions- shading, detail, placements of shadows, etc.
* And lastly, the placement of the printer's info, lower right
border is not printed in the exact same location as on the 49
copy (it is shifted more to the left, beginning under the
first leg of the N of MAN, along with the bidll copy also
having the added "and London" after the name of NOTTINGHAM.
Too many variations... and even if done for colonies, why
would all of the above being missing/different/changed? It's a
different piece entirely than the known HA '49 copy.
More research should be done on this before calling it a "for
certain" '49 original release OS, one would think.
'Tis curious indeed.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:58 AM, David wrote:
I guess the question for someone more knowledgeable on the
Brit stuff is why is there (on the HA '49) a British Censor's
stamp on a poster that was never designed to be used in the
UK - as I understand it 1shts and 3shts were printed for the
colonies not used in the UK, so no reason to print UK data on
it is there?
Anyone?
allen day wrote on 19/06/2015 8:10 PM:
Geez fellas ... looks like a hybrid (in a 10 second
comparison).
Logos at bottom left / right on HA's '49 example are on
neither of the other examples, however, the overall colors
appear similar to bidll example and HA '49.
ad
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:45 AM, David
<[email protected]> wrote:
Looks nothing like the 50s re-release here: http://
movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-selznick-
r-1950s-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-/a/693-64326.s
Looks like this here: http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-
noir/the-third-man-london-films-1949-british-one-sheet-27-
x-40-here-is-a-real-rarity-a-london-films-british-original-
for/a/633-28253.s
cheers
David
Todd wrote on 19/06/2015 5:35 PM:
Isn't this the early 1950's re-release?
I thought the original release had a black background and
also had more color.
I know the last time Heritage sold this poster which was
five years ago, they listed it as an early 1950's re-
release and it sold for $900.
Todd Feiertag
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:38:07 +1000
From: [email protected]
Subject: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The
Third Man (1949)
To: [email protected]
An exciting find has just been listed on BIDLL by a known
New Zealand based collector.
For overseas buyers please note - the currency is in NZ$ -
that's almost chicken feed in most other countries!
Good luck to the all bidders! Or buy now and save yourself
the stress!
http://bidll.com/Listing/Details/420722
--
regards,
David Rew
[mob] 0402 925 158
bidll.com
for serious collectors
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