I agree with Rich entirely here. We all resent rising prices, but Heritage is just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.
Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.com <http://www.movieart.com/> > On Jun 16, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I largely agree with Ira and disagree with Simon in some ways > > for the most part, I win very little under $100, and so the $19 min bp means > nothing as I'm already paying 19.5% > > if you only bid in the signature auctions, then the $19 min has no effect as > nothing sells under $100 in those, so you're only talking about Sunday > auctions and in case people don't pay attention, the average item price in an > HA sale is $70-100 on a weekly basis (last week they did just short of $41k > on 496 listings est $82 per item, with bp). > > it has at best, a small effect > > what about those sellers who drive down prices by selling massive amount of > posters for $20 and less, including silent & golden age material that > previously sold for much higher prices? Aren't they a negative worth > discussing? Don't they have a greater effect on collectors, devaluing their > collections in real time? > > Nobody forces anyone to do business with any specific entity. You can choose > who you spend money with, just like I do. (this is part of the > capiltalist/consumerist theory) > If HA has something you want this week, I seriously doubt the extra $5 has > much of a curtailing aspect to it > > Rich > > > At 08:29 AM 6/16/2016, Ira Rubenstein wrote: >> I guess I come at this from a collector view. And I have never sold >> anything that I have bought before. So I am probably a little naïve about >> it all. And if I was selling a lot of items, then of course I would want >> a maximum of options to sell through. >> >> To me the relationship between auction houses and dealers is symbiotic. >> They both need each other. Dealers bid on auction items all the time in >> an effort to find something to resell. This helps maintain a floor on >> pricing. I am sure dealers sell through auctions at times well when they >> need to liquidate or manage inventory. And I dont think this is >> exclusive to Movie Posters. (Books, Coins, Stamps, Baseball cards, Art, >> etc >> ) All areas of collections have dealers and auction houses. >> >> From a collectors stand point I have relationships with many dealers both in >> Movie Posters and Animation art. One animation art dealer has done an >> exceptional job of always calling me when he finds something he knows I will >> be interested in. Many others dont. But as a collector it is also >> fun to participate in Auctions because there is always one item you are >> looking for. Comes up from time to time. You lose out a few times and then >> you win. And the fun is to finally win. And at a price you can afford. >> Or you realize you have to save more to get what you want. OR you see a >> poster you have never seen before and you decide it looks amazing and you >> want to hang it on your wall. Thats the fun of discovery. >> >> So to me, having healthy auction houses and healthy dealers is best for >> everyone. I dont think one can survive without the other. And I dont >> think it is a win/lose situation. >> >> I cant speak to people leaving the hobby or staying in it. I would think >> a lot of it is age of the typical collecting consumer and what type of films >> they grew up with. I am amazed at what 80s film posters are selling for >> when I know there are tens of thousands of copies of each one. (Having >> worked in the film marketing world) To me, these are the films of >> their youth and thats what they want to hang on their wall. It can also >> be that as people get older they look at getting rid of things, smaller >> homes, wanting the money to do other things as they live in retirement. >> >> I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 years as I downsize, I will >> probably be forced to look hard at starting to sell my collection. And >> figuring out the best way to do that. Who knows, it may be my retirement >> career, joining all of you in the dealer world. :) >> >> Personally, as a collector/consumer I do like Heritage and I like Bruce at >> emovieposter. The auctions are well run. Accurate descriptions. >> Pictures. Billing and packing are easy. A lot done digitally. Heritage >> Live on a mobile platform is very impressive tech. In my area of work, >> I am always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of them have >> done that. Very well. And if you focus on the consumer first, you will >> always win. (Steve Jobs lesson) >> >> Thank you all for your thoughts. I enjoy these type of discussions as I >> learn more about the hobby and the business of posters. >> >> Best, >> >> Ira >> >> >> >> >> >> From: MoPo List < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Simon Oram < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Reply-To: Simon Oram < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM >> To: " [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges >> >> Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..dominant by definition >> that means, control or power over others and when that happens a market >> becomes stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing did >> seem all more exciting a few years back. >> >> It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting around >> the millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market place, >> selling up and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been told >> but, I have been asking. Heritage promises the world to its consignors and >> they expect to get it, its a possibility that people only trust them with >> it. >> >> Simon >> From: Wim Jansen <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges >> >>> I would say as a animation collector too, I was very impressed with their >>> recent animation auction. They have quickly become the dominant auction >>> house for animation art. >> >> Theres your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and >> eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then >> after that you raise your percentages. >> I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value >> Grey as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I always >> have niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have had >> contact with a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office consists >> of temps, theres a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel good. >> >> Wim >> Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> het volgende geschreven: >> >>> I think you will see that through this move, Heritage will eliminate >>> people listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on >>> higher ticket items there is a higher return per item. There is a fixed >>> labor cost per item you list, and as a business obviously you want to >>> maximize your return per item. >>> >>> I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong. To me it >>> is just a business decision. I would say as a animation collector too, >>> I was very impressed with their recent animation auction. They have >>> quickly become the dominant auction house for animation art. >>> >>> I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has >>> lost a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and >>> not a dealer. How has Heritage hurt the business? Is that a overall >>> Dealer perspective? >>> >>> I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other >>> venues and in a free trade society, if something gets out of whack, there >>> will always be something new to balance it. >>> >>> Anyway, my .02. >>> >>> Ira >>> From: MoPo List < [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Simon Oram < >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Reply-To: " [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" < >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 7:41 AM >>> To: " [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" < >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges >>> >>> Agree..I think it was good to start with now, it seems the film poster >>> business has lost allot because of them? and their patrons. >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >>> From: Michael Greenwood >>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:23 >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Reply To: Michael Greenwood >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges >>> >>> I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth >>> must come at a cost...to the users. And I imagine they were pleased with >>> this news. The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days! >>> Thankfully this hobby has other venues and less grabby sellers. >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> From: MoPo List < [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Tommy Barr >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:21 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [MOPO] Heritage charges >>> >>> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum >>> buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. 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