At 07:00 AM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >That's where I would disagree - by deliberately setting a self >fulfilling tautology as the definition: > >Thing occurs because of motive, the motive is to be better, the >thing that occurred was better. > >Sounds stupid and is, but its the same as saying "things happened >becuase they were predisposed to happen", which is synonymous with >"things happened because probability favoured it", which begins to >sound less stupid. When I then talk about the lack of independence >between a thing and the wider pattern in which it resides, and its >the predisposition of the whole system which favours a set of events >involving the subject, it begins to sound positively sensible. > >Where given "improvements" are considered to be made within the >defined subset moral codes of each observer defined set, I have of >course lost all real sense of what it means to improve something, >but have sucessfully (albeit badly) defined betterness. > >I'ts complete doublethink, but IMO a delusion of high quality.
I cannot agree or disagree. It does seem high quality to so thus. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MarshaV > > Sent: 24 July 2007 10:59 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Moq_Discuss] [MD] Aristotle & DQ > > > > > > At 05:44 AM 7/24/2007, you wrote: > > >Fair point, > > >but even the words "dynamic" and "quality" are assumptions overlaid > > >on that essential source. > > > > And so also "worth, or merit, or value, or betterness or any of the > > other synonyms for good." > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > > Of MarshaV > > > > Sent: 24 July 2007 10:41 > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Moq_Discuss] [MD] Aristotle & DQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality' > > > > by Robert Pirsig October 2005 > > > > > > > > "The Metaphysics of Quality, or MOQ, is simply a > > philosophic answer > > > > to the question of what is Quality, or worth, or merit, > > or value, or > > > > betterness or any of the other synonyms for good. There are many > > > > possible answers but the one the MOQ gives is that you > > can understand > > > > Quality best if you don't subordinate it to anything > > else but instead > > > > subordinate everything else to it. > > > > > > > > It says there are two basic kinds of Quality, an > > undefined Quality > > > > called Dynamic Quality, and a defined quality called > > static quality. > > > > Static quality is further divided into four evolutionary > > divisions: > > > > inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. Our entire > > > > understanding of the world can be organized within this > > framework. > > > > When you do so things fall into place that were poorly defined > > > > before, and new things appear that were concealed under previous > > > > frameworks of understanding. The MOQ is not intended to > > deny previous > > > > modes of understanding as much as to expand them into a more > > > > inclusive picture of what it's all about. > > > > > > > > The "Quality" of the Metaphysics of Quality is not a > > basic substance, > > > > or anything like it. The Buddhists call it "nothingness" > > precisely to > > > > avoid that kind of intellectual characterization. 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