I've been emersing myself in Bodvar's work on the SOL concept and I have to say I'm with him. I believe as well as Ham, that how reality is percieved is through Subject object perception. To percieve and understand any part of reality is to percieve it as subject and object. Even our sensual recognition is based in symbol comprehension. we are emersed in languge but also much deeper than imagined, language is an out growth of comprehension, language communicates this understanding. I believe Subject Object perception is base awareness for all living organisms,I believe instinct is built on it.
I used Mathmatics as a model for this phenomena citing the concept and employment of the "limit" as a proof of sorts for this concept of subject object perception. "The argument that the MOQ is not an intellectual formulation but some kind of other level is not clear to me. There is nothing in the MOQ that I know of that leads to this conclusion." -Quote from Pirsig I think Bo means that MOQ is an intellectual awareness of SO perception. The intellection of taking into account of how we understand the universe. The paradox being we can't see the forrest through the trees. Not just a greek convention but a human condition, something the philosophies of the east are well aquainted with. It is the reason why the intellectual level can be interpreted to begin with the organic level. Here is where we suffer a language problem with how to classify and what to call this awareness of s/o perception. Bo then brings up the question shouldn't there be another category within the intellectual level perhaps a subject object intellectual and a Quality intellectual (for lack of any proper descriptive term) a transcendent intellectual level one in which the awareness of the subject object perception is taken into account when intellectualizing. I suspect the problem with grasping this concept is the fact that there is no suitable conventional terminology for it so it kinda just enimatically floats with terms like mysticism and enlightenment for the lack of any deacent western terminology, so it is not taken seriously. how does one term an intellection which trancends common awareness of perception without sounding like a mystic? the problem is using a distinctive language created from subject -object experience to describe an infinite reality. this paradox happens because anything outside this limited perception is infinite and meaningless. MOQ just may be a dynamic awareness freeing itself from a static intellection of Subject object perception and in that way Bo may be onto something. -Ron Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
