Gav, On the subject of DNA then how would you explain the similarities between primate and human DNA if they are not related? I'm not sure I understand how one can choose to cite evidence from mitochondrial DNA but ignore the evidence of full chromosomal analysis?
There seem to remain any number of Darwinian compatible explanations for the data described below, the first that springs to mind being that it isn't just humans that can migrate. Migrations can span many thousands of generations, and with the shifting geography, ice ages etc a population of advanced primates could simply have lived in places that not no longer exist and became extinct leaving fossil records in the seabed. Pure conjecture of course, but seemingly slightly more likely than dreaming. Further, I should point out mutation accumulations only demonstrate the age of a distinct species, which really means the time since the last mass extinction. The evolutionary path of simple proto-mammals into marsupials presumably occurred very long ago and was very different from the way that proto mammals evolved in other locations. We can speculate that outside of Australasia there have been a greater number of mid-scale mass extinction events. To say that marsupial mammals are older that non marsupial mammals ignores a potential common ancestor and the potential multiple generations of now extinct species. You then relate biological timescales to geological ones, now even if I suspend disbelief over the assertion that one rock may be particularly older than another one, the orders of magnitude that separate the two timescales make any comparison statistically irrelevant. Its like saying that there's a real significant difference between 5 out of 100 billion years and 6 out of a hundred and one billion years. All the science bits dropped in are just like padding to lend a sense of ad hominem legitimacy to the assertions they're falsely clinging onto. No doubt all will leap now to crucify the evil dogmatic scientist, but even as a sieve this was bollocks. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gav > Sent: 05 September 2007 23:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [MD] Australian Aborigines put final nail into Neo-Darwinian > coffin. > > > hiya all, > > been reading about some interesting genetic research > into human origins. > > mitochondrial DNA from all the world's races was > sampled. this DNA is single strand and does not > recombine; that is it is passed on faithfully from > mother to child, excepting mutations - the > accumulation of which are the basis for estimating the > age of the race in question. > > because recombination (the mixture of male and female > DNA at fertilisation) does not occur with > mitochondrial DNA the accuracy of the dating method is > better than testing nuclear DNA. > > anyhoo....some really really interesting results. > turns out the youngest races on the earth are the > caucasian and negroid, at about 40 000 - 60 000 years > old. the next oldest are the (near-extinct) red and > oriental races at 100 000 - 120 000 years old. > the oldest race by far is the australian aboriginal > which, based on the very high amount of accumulated > mitochondrial DNA mutations, is roughly 400 000 years > old! > > some big implications. > Australia is, geologically speaking, the oldest > continent on Earth. It seems biologically speaking it > is also! I am not sure but i think similar testing on > marsupials has shown them to be of significantly older > origin than their placental mammalian cousins. > > So if you haven't already gone AHA! then let me spell > it out: WE DIDN'T DESCEND FROM PRIMATES. there have > never been primates in australia. Neo-Darwinian theory > has less credibility than creationism!! ha! > > The aboriginal peoples have always maintained that > they are the first people - that they came direct from > the dreamtime. This research lends massive weight to > their claims and also throws open the mystery of human > origins once more. > > i will do some digging at get some refs. the book i > read this in - voices of the first day - is over at a > friend's. > > cheers > gav > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Sick of deleting your inbox? 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