jos, jos:> Gav, > > On the subject of DNA then how would you explain the > similarities between primate and human DNA if they > are not related? I'm not sure I understand how one > can choose to cite evidence from mitochondrial DNA > but ignore the evidence of full chromosomal > analysis?
I guess all life has pretty similar DNA - cells is cells by and large. > > There seem to remain any number of Darwinian > compatible explanations for the data described > below, the first that springs to mind being that it > isn't just humans that can migrate. Migrations can > span many thousands of generations, and with the > shifting geography, ice ages etc a population of > advanced primates could simply have lived in places > that not no longer exist and became extinct leaving > fossil records in the seabed. Pure conjecture of > course, but seemingly slightly more likely than > dreaming. mass monkey exodus? "exodus... movement of jah monkeys.." yeah maybe. i reckon 'dreaming' is more likely. thing is i reckon there is a certain measure of truth or value that we are all familiar with: duration. the best art endures; the other stuff doesn't. likewise the best theories endure; the others don't. likewise the best mythologies endure; the others don't. the dreamtime has endured for tens, probably hundreds of thousands of years.....just luck? i reckon its value. this is why astrology and numerology are still here despite the ridicule of the science: they are valuable - they work. > Further, I should point out mutation accumulations > only demonstrate the age of a distinct species, > which really means the time since the last mass > extinction. the age of the species 'homo sapiens' was what i was talking about. i disagree about the extinction bit- mDNA would be traceable all the way back to the species' origin. >The evolutionary path of simple > proto-mammals into marsupials presumably occurred > very long ago and was very different from the way > that proto mammals evolved in other locations. We > can speculate that outside of Australasia there have > been a greater number of mid-scale mass extinction > events. To say that marsupial mammals are older that > non marsupial mammals ignores a potential common > ancestor and the potential multiple generations of > now extinct species. yeah true - tis very speculative. > > You then relate biological timescales to geological > ones, now even if I suspend disbelief over the > assertion that one rock may be particularly older > than another one, the orders of magnitude that > separate the two timescales make any comparison > statistically irrelevant. >Its like saying that > there's a real significant difference between 5 out > of 100 billion years and 6 out of a hundred and one > billion years. > > All the science bits dropped in are just like > padding to lend a sense of ad hominem legitimacy to > the assertions they're falsely clinging onto. No > doubt all will leap now to crucify the evil dogmatic > scientist, but even as a sieve this was bollocks. keep your mind open jos. just cos its speculation doesn't mean it's bollox; just mean it ain't proved to your satisfaction. mitochondrial DNA evidence suggesting that australia's (or melanesia's back then) aboriginal people are far more ancient than other races is significant i believe. don't you? its also a question of metaphysical orientation - which is why pirsig is handy. pirsig helps people get their head around the *projected nature of reality*. it is a much shorter step from here to the concept 'dreaming' than from a objective materialistic viewpoint. cheers gav > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of gav > > Sent: 05 September 2007 23:49 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [MD] Australian Aborigines put final nail > into Neo-Darwinian > > coffin. > > > > > > hiya all, > > > > been reading about some interesting genetic > research > > into human origins. > > > > mitochondrial DNA from all the world's races was > > sampled. this DNA is single strand and does not > > recombine; that is it is passed on faithfully from > > mother to child, excepting mutations - the > > accumulation of which are the basis for estimating > the > > age of the race in question. > > > > because recombination (the mixture of male and > female > > DNA at fertilisation) does not occur with > > mitochondrial DNA the accuracy of the dating > method is > > better than testing nuclear DNA. > > > > anyhoo....some really really interesting results. > > turns out the youngest races on the earth are the > > caucasian and negroid, at about 40 000 - 60 000 > years > > old. the next oldest are the (near-extinct) red > and > > oriental races at 100 000 - 120 000 years old. > > the oldest race by far is the australian > aboriginal > > which, based on the very high amount of > accumulated > > mitochondrial DNA mutations, is roughly 400 000 > years > > old! > > > > some big implications. > > Australia is, geologically speaking, the oldest > > continent on Earth. It seems biologically speaking > it > > is also! I am not sure but i think similar testing > on > > marsupials has shown them to be of significantly > older > > origin than their placental mammalian cousins. > > > > So if you haven't already gone AHA! then let me > spell > > it out: WE DIDN'T DESCEND FROM PRIMATES. there > have > > never been primates in australia. Neo-Darwinian > theory > > has less credibility than creationism!! ha! > > > > The aboriginal peoples have always maintained that > > they are the first people - that they came direct > from > > the dreamtime. This research lends massive weight > to > > their claims and also throws open the mystery of > human > > origins once more. > > > > i will do some digging at get some refs. the book > i > > read this in - voices of the first day - is over > at a > > friend's. > > > > cheers > > gav > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________ > > Sick of deleting your inbox? 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