Hi David, I guess I did already get that. When I said I was having trouble getting my head around it, it's the fact that we (here) have moved on beyond the limitations of SOMism, so the constraints they placed on empiricism or already historical, discounted if you like, before we even start. So "radical" is just an old label for what I'd consider "normal", anyway ...
Interesting you use the phrase "What we might call an illusion is real ..." You may have seen me use that phrase many times before in the blog. About Libet and free-will being "illusory" About Wegner and consciousness being "illusory" Illusory in the sense on not being quite what they might first appear, not being simple / tangible / physical, not having simple causal relationships and explanations - but totally real, nevertheless. Ian On 9/14/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian > > I'd suggest standard empirism assumes SOM and therefore > that you need an epistemology to answer the skeptic. > > Radical empiricism says kick out the SOM concepts, > the only reality is experience there is no world beyond > experience that we are trying to make contact with. > There is no special set of experiences that are more > certain and objective than others.What we experience > is real, it is all real. What we might call an illusion is > real, we see it, but it might not be something we can > kick, which is just another real experience. > > David M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > > > Interesting thread DMB - I may eventually get my head around what > specifically distinguishes radical empiricism from empiricism. > > I think you start and end with a key point ... the "frustration" that > there was / is "something wrong" with a static SOM view is not new, > and recurrs in the history of philosophy. > > Thanks > Ian > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
