I suppose I'll have to start! Value is what it means to me.
On 26/09/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yes, okay. > > > At 05:24 AM 9/26/2007, you wrote: > >Marsha, > > > >let's start at the beginning shall we? > > > >Peter > > > >On 26/09/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > What is value? > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > At 03:55 AM 9/26/2007, you wrote: > > > >Hi Marsha, > > > > > > > >can an artist's work be any good if the intention behind it is driven > by > > > the > > > >$? > > > >I don't think so, but in some cases yes. And of course artist's have > to > > > make > > > >a living. > > > > > > > >$ is obviously not so important for you and that must afford you a > rare > > > >freedom of mind. > > > > > > > >I only ever sold one painting, a commissioned portrait; so $ is not > so > > > >important for me either. > > > >Still I could not give them away, unless it was one that I didn't > value > > > but > > > >in that case I'd probably paint over it. > > > > > > > >Many years ago when I was in the Gurdjieff 'work' I remember reading > in > > > one > > > >of their revered books that people must pay otherwise they won't > value > > > what > > > >they've gained, and I think there is some truth in that. Of course > there > > > is > > > >payment in kind but that's even better. > > > > > > > >You mentioned intuition, I recently did a painting where I > deliberately > > > >tried not to think or plan as I worked, that is virtually impossible > to > > > do > > > >but at least you can hold the intention; the result was quite > interesting > > > >but now I know I can knock them off like that any time I question > it's > > > >value. The great part of my experience in the world insists that > there is > > > no > > > >value (in that painting) because there was no consideration. But a > > > growing > > > >part of me (I hope) says that really that is a perfectly valid way to > > > work. > > > >Also, I taught Alexander Technique in the past and a continual > problem I > > > had > > > >when working on people was that I should not charge them because I > was > > > not > > > >'doing' anything for them - this is difficult to explain unless you > have > > > >some experience of the Alexander Technique which is about 'non > doing'. > > > > > > > >Changing winds, the only evidence of life? > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >-Peter > > > > > > > > > > > >On 24/09/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > > > > > I only destroyed my 'personal journal' after my husband died. My > art > > > > > journals and sketch books, I destroyed last February. I think you > > > > > might be right that it was ceremony, and probably in both > > > > > instances. I like creating ritual and ceremony. They may be > > > > > conscious or unconscious. It's making an idea a more substantial > > > event. > > > > > > > > > > About the paintings, they are shadows of the experience, so I have > > > > > relatively no problem parting with them. Of course there are some > I > > > > > am attached to more than others. Those I do take to the Goodwill, > I > > > > > take with the hope that they find a good home (wherever that might > > > > > be). With me it is all about the experience of painting. > > > > > > > > > > I would prefer not to link $ with my painting. Most of my life > was > > > > > directed towards making $. Much of that was for very good > > > > > reasons. But the winds changed and I find myself moving in > another > > > > > direction. Some of this direction is dependent on intuition > rather > > > > > than thinking, so it is difficult to find the words. > > > > > > > > > > But who knows, the winds may change again. > > > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 04:14 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote: > > > > > >Hi Marsha, > > > > > > > > > > > >the way you describe getting rid of your journals and sketchbooks > > > after > > > > > your > > > > > >husband died sounds like you were ceremoniously stepping forward > with > > > > > >resolution to a new life and throwing them out was a way of > making > > > sure > > > > > that > > > > > >there was no going back on your decision. I think that is partly > how > > > I > > > > > felt > > > > > >when I threw my stuff away. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am glad to hear that you didn't throw away your paintings > though! > > > > > Giving > > > > > >them to Goodwill sounds like a good idea but not one I'd be > capable > > > of > > > > > >having myself. The only honourable option open for me is to try > to > > > sell > > > > > them > > > > > >- on E bay if necessary. I think giving them to Goodwill is to > > > undervalue > > > > > >them. > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards and thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > > >-Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 21/09/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:21 AM 9/21/2007, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Hi Marsha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >do you know why you destroyed your journals and sketchbooks; > of > > > > > course > > > > > > > >that's a rhetorical question and only for you to answer for > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have destroyed journals too in the past mainly because they > > > > > contained > > > > > > > >private/embarrassing stuff and I got fed up of holding on to > > > them. I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > >currently keep a journal now, probably because I know I'd > write > > > stuff > > > > > in > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >that I'd later want to throw away. Now I wont write anything > that > > > is > > > > > > > >throwawayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The subject of your email was 'Painting'; if I recall you > don't > > > > > usually > > > > > > > sell > > > > > > > >your work, so you must have many 'works'. I'm in the same > boat > > > and > > > > > have > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > >items from many years ago that hold I on to, I gaze at them > and > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > >improvements but I practically never go back and alter. I'm > > > destined > > > > > to > > > > > > > lug > > > > > > > >all those canvases around for the rest of my life; a labour > of > > > love? > > > > > Will > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > >son have to throw them away for me after I die? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure, but I wanted to know what it would be like not > to > > > have > > > > > > > them. These were my art journals, sketchbooks with > poetry. My > > > > > > > personal journals I burned a year after my husband died, on > the > > > date > > > > > > > of our anniversary. A couple of months after that anniversary > > > date I > > > > > > > woke up and took all my clothes (everything) to the Salvation > > > > > > > Army. I had become quite unglued. Not sure why I destroyed > the > > > > > > > stuff more recently, curious maybe. It was a tea party, an > > > emptying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do identify with the stacks of paintings situation. A > couple of > > > > > > > years ago (maybe less, maybe more) I took a bunch to the > Goodwill > > > > > > > Store. But I have again many, too many. I've giving some > > > away. I'd > > > > > > > love to give more away, but to whom? I'm not sure who would > want > > > > > > > one. I told my son that when I die to take them to the > > > > > > > Goodwill. Maybe some will find a good home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very much a labor of love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 16/09/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few months ago, I destroyed 15 years of > > > > > journal/sketchbooks. This > > > > > > > > > morning I started a new book. 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