Marsha, That was not an invitation for an argument, just a friendly reminder about generlizations.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories Ron, I love men. What prejudice? You could offer some examples of the women behind the push for war. I'd be willing to consider such examples. Marsha At 01:13 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > [Ron] > >To isolate a sex for blame of anything is to reduce it to simplistic >forms for the sheer purpose of self justification of ones own >prejudices. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:05 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories > > >Hi Arlo, > >Thank you for writing. It is so hard for me to make sense out of war. >If I think about it too much I get crazy. I don't understand men. One >kind of tyranny traded for another kind of tyranny. All rationalized >into a neat little package. > >Collateral damage has a mother too. > >Marsha > > >At 10:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > >Hi Marsha, > > > >Someone once told me, "a soldier is not a hero because of what he > >does, > > >he is a hero because of what he risks". > > > >I said this to a Marine friend of mine, and he looked at me really > >seriously and said "you'd be surprised how many people, civilians and > >soldiers, don't understand that". > > > >In a song called Red Army Blues (by The Waterboys) the lyrics open >with... > > > >When I left my home and my family > >my mother said to me > >Son, it's not how many Germans you kill that counts It's how many > >people you set free. > > > >When we look closely, many times, at the unbridled patriotic > >masturbation of the modern political dialogue, we can see this subtle > >yet profound misunderstanding. And as such we are moving back to the > >pre-WWI idea of "war". This is, as is seen in the following Pirsig > >quote, simply systemic of the overall retreat to Victorianism Pirsig > >talks about later. > > > >"The Victorian social system and the Victorian morality that led into > >World War I had portrayed war as an adventurous conflict between > >noble individuals engaged in the idealistic service of their country: > >a kind of extended knighthood. Victorians loved exquisitely painted > >heroic battle scenes in their drawing rooms, with dashing cavalrymen > >riding toward the enemy with sabers drawn, or a horse returning > >riderless with the title, "Bad News." Death was acknowledged by an > >occasional soldier in the arms of his comrades looking palely toward >heaven. > > > >World War I wasn't like that. The Gatling gun removed the nobility, > >the > > >heroism. The Victorian painters had never shown a battlefield of mud > >and shell holes and barbed wire and half a million rotting > >corpses-some > > >staring toward heaven, some staring into the mud, some without faces > >to > > >stare in any direction. That many had been murdered in one battle > >alone." (LILA) > > > >I am convinced the modern war will not end until a draft is instated, > >and all exceptions to it abolished. Too few are sacrificing too much > >for too little. And we are maintaining that disequilibrium by the > >deceitful rhetoric of political ideologues and politicians. > > > > > >Arlo > > > > > > > > > >At 04:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > >I think Ken Burn's documentary should be followed by a 12-hour > > >documentary of sobbing mothers. Rational, my left foot!!! What > > >fathers might call rational, mothers may call psychotic. Justify > > >it as you might, rationality is a myth. > > > > > >Marsha > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
