The female soilders, Hilary Clinton, and I can't think
of many for women have only recently been allowed to
serve in battle and politics in this country is still
a male majority. Women, unfortunately, are not in the
picture that much when it comes to public decisions.
SA
[Ron]
> That was not an invitation for an argument, just a
> friendly reminder
> about generlizations.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Behalf Of MarshaV
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> I love men. What prejudice? You could offer some
> examples of the
> women behind the push for war. I'd be willing to
> consider such
> examples.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> At 01:13 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
> > [Ron]
> >
> >To isolate a sex for blame of anything is to reduce
> it to simplistic
> >forms for the sheer purpose of self justification
> of ones own
> >prejudices.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of MarshaV
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:05 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories
> >
> >
> >Hi Arlo,
> >
> >Thank you for writing. It is so hard for me to
> make sense out of war.
> >If I think about it too much I get crazy. I don't
> understand men. One
>
> >kind of tyranny traded for another kind of tyranny.
> All rationalized
> >into a neat little package.
> >
> >Collateral damage has a mother too.
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >At 10:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
> > >Hi Marsha,
> > >
> > >Someone once told me, "a soldier is not a hero
> because of what he
> > >does,
> >
> > >he is a hero because of what he risks".
> > >
> > >I said this to a Marine friend of mine, and he
> looked at me really
> > >seriously and said "you'd be surprised how many
> people, civilians and
>
> > >soldiers, don't understand that".
> > >
> > >In a song called Red Army Blues (by The
> Waterboys) the lyrics open
> >with...
> > >
> > >When I left my home and my family
> > >my mother said to me
> > >Son, it's not how many Germans you kill that
> counts It's how many
> > >people you set free.
> > >
> > >When we look closely, many times, at the
> unbridled patriotic
> > >masturbation of the modern political dialogue, we
> can see this subtle
>
> > >yet profound misunderstanding. And as such we are
> moving back to the
> > >pre-WWI idea of "war". This is, as is seen in the
> following Pirsig
> > >quote, simply systemic of the overall retreat to
> Victorianism Pirsig
> > >talks about later.
> > >
> > >"The Victorian social system and the Victorian
> morality that led into
>
> > >World War I had portrayed war as an adventurous
> conflict between
> > >noble individuals engaged in the idealistic
> service of their country:
> > >a kind of extended knighthood. Victorians loved
> exquisitely painted
> > >heroic battle scenes in their drawing rooms, with
> dashing cavalrymen
> > >riding toward the enemy with sabers drawn, or a
> horse returning
> > >riderless with the title, "Bad News." Death was
> acknowledged by an
> > >occasional soldier in the arms of his comrades
> looking palely toward
> >heaven.
> > >
> > >World War I wasn't like that. The Gatling gun
> removed the nobility,
> > >the
> >
> > >heroism. The Victorian painters had never shown a
> battlefield of mud
> > >and shell holes and barbed wire and half a
> million rotting
> > >corpses-some
> >
> > >staring toward heaven, some staring into the mud,
> some without faces
> > >to
> >
> > >stare in any direction. That many had been
> murdered in one battle
> > >alone." (LILA)
> > >
> > >I am convinced the modern war will not end until
> a draft is instated,
>
> > >and all exceptions to it abolished. Too few are
> sacrificing too much
> > >for too little. And we are maintaining that
> disequilibrium by the
> > >deceitful rhetoric of political ideologues and
> politicians.
> > >
> > >
> > >Arlo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 04:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Greetings,
> > > >
> > > >I think Ken Burn's documentary should be
> followed by a 12-hour
> > > >documentary of sobbing mothers. Rational, my
> left foot!!! What
> > > >fathers might call rational, mothers may call
> psychotic. Justify
> > > >it as you might, rationality is a myth.
> > > >
> > > >Marsha
> > >
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