Hello everyone >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories >Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:20:49 -0400 > > > >Ron, > >I love men. What prejudice? You could offer some examples of the >women behind the push for war. I'd be willing to consider such examples.
Hi Marsha Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, and Benazir Bhutto all oversaw the development of nuclear weapons programs. Thoughts? Dan > >Marsha > > >At 01:13 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > > [Ron] > > > >To isolate a sex for blame of anything is to reduce it to simplistic > >forms for the sheer > >purpose of self justification of ones own prejudices. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:05 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [MD] War Stories > > > > > >Hi Arlo, > > > >Thank you for writing. It is so hard for me to make sense out of war. > >If I think about it too much I get crazy. I don't understand men. One > >kind of tyranny traded for another kind of tyranny. All rationalized > >into a neat little package. > > > >Collateral damage has a mother too. > > > >Marsha > > > > > >At 10:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > > >Hi Marsha, > > > > > >Someone once told me, "a soldier is not a hero because of what he does, > > > > >he is a hero because of what he risks". > > > > > >I said this to a Marine friend of mine, and he looked at me really > > >seriously and said "you'd be surprised how many people, civilians and > > >soldiers, don't understand that". > > > > > >In a song called Red Army Blues (by The Waterboys) the lyrics open > >with... > > > > > >When I left my home and my family > > >my mother said to me > > >Son, it's not how many Germans you kill that counts It's how many > > >people you set free. > > > > > >When we look closely, many times, at the unbridled patriotic > > >masturbation of the modern political dialogue, we can see this subtle > > >yet profound misunderstanding. And as such we are moving back to the > > >pre-WWI idea of "war". This is, as is seen in the following Pirsig > > >quote, simply systemic of the overall retreat to Victorianism Pirsig > > >talks about later. > > > > > >"The Victorian social system and the Victorian morality that led into > > >World War I had portrayed war as an adventurous conflict between noble > > >individuals engaged in the idealistic service of their country: > > >a kind of extended knighthood. Victorians loved exquisitely painted > > >heroic battle scenes in their drawing rooms, with dashing cavalrymen > > >riding toward the enemy with sabers drawn, or a horse returning > > >riderless with the title, "Bad News." Death was acknowledged by an > > >occasional soldier in the arms of his comrades looking palely toward > >heaven. > > > > > >World War I wasn't like that. The Gatling gun removed the nobility, the > > > > >heroism. The Victorian painters had never shown a battlefield of mud > > >and shell holes and barbed wire and half a million rotting corpses-some > > > > >staring toward heaven, some staring into the mud, some without faces to > > > > >stare in any direction. That many had been murdered in one battle > > >alone." (LILA) > > > > > >I am convinced the modern war will not end until a draft is instated, > > >and all exceptions to it abolished. Too few are sacrificing too much > > >for too little. And we are maintaining that disequilibrium by the > > >deceitful rhetoric of political ideologues and politicians. > > > > > > > > >Arlo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 04:32 AM 10/3/2007, you wrote: > > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > > > >I think Ken Burn's documentary should be followed by a 12-hour > > > >documentary of sobbing mothers. Rational, my left foot!!! What > > > >fathers might call rational, mothers may call psychotic. Justify it > > > >as you might, rationality is a myth. > > > > > > > >Marsha > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >Archives: > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
