[gav] undivided experience is not *my* experience. it is just experience. 'my' is a designation that is applied to what has already been experienced: the past (and future) is born. but reality is the cutting edge - T =0.
[Krimel] If you set upon a program to develop the ability to have such experiences they are happening to you. You can call it what you like. But if you do indeed attain "oneness" with everything does that clue you in on what I am doing? Again I ask is this an attempt to disengage the self or to personalize the Tao? [gav] you are the potential for others to exist. you are fundamentally the awareness that allows anything to exist, everything to exist. this is the meaning of tat tvam asi - that thou art. [Krimel] My awareness may allow others to exist for me where they would continue to exist in the absence of me I can't say but I think a cosmology that denies this has an awefull lot so explaining to do. [gav] the emotion with the highest vibration, i have been told, is gratitude. to be grateful to someone is to be most high and happy. in other words by doing things selflessly for others you give them not only the gift of your service but yourself the inestimable gift of their pure happiness. is this not an analogy for the unity and interconnectedness of life? - to give is to receive abundantly. [Krimel] I have attempting to a make a point about the relation of emotion to our perception of meaning so I agree emotions are very important. But how does one emotion 'vibrate' at a higher level than another. What frequencies and why is faster better? [gav] if we focus on the quality of experience and not the analysis of experience....this is the discipline that becomes harder to maintain as we grow older and more full of concepts. the point of life is total awareness - to be as alive as possible. [Krimel] Flexibility in thinking is not necessarily a function of age. How concepts are organized and used is at least as important. Having more concepts can mean seeing newer and higher Quality relationships among them. While recognizing the nature of ones experience is a wonderful thing, so is being able to ascribe meaning to it. If you are really concerning with the nature of experience don't you think looking at how your brain and nervous systems are configured to process information would be worth looking into? William James certainly did. [gav] "the point of life is to live and to live is to be aware - joyously, drunkenly, divinely, serenely aware" henry miller. [Krimel] Miller is fun to read. He was not very prolific though I have only read Tropic of Cancer and am savoring the time until I pick up another of his. Kind of like Kafka who really only wrote three books. I have read two of them and intentionally wait to read the last one. His novels are like dreams following loose sets of surreal connections that seem plausible and implausible at the same time. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
