i don't think you read my last post. comments interspersed below. i am trying to help you understand pirsig (amongst other things); this is what this list is for. you don't understand him yet.
this is my last try. > --- Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [gav] > > undivided experience is not *my* experience. it is > > just experience. 'my' is a designation that is > > applied > > to what has already been experienced: the past > (and > > future) is born. but reality is the cutting edge - > T > > =0. > > > > [Krimel] > > If you set upon a program to develop the ability > to > > have such experiences > > they are happening to you. You can call it what > you > > like. But if you do > > indeed attain "oneness" with everything does that > > clue you in on what I am > > doing? > > > > Again I ask is this an attempt to disengage the > self > > or to personalize the > > Tao? > > gav: there are two selves: lower and higher. the > higher self (or soul) is consciousness itself, > awareness. we are all one at this level. ie 'we are > all the same consciousness experiencing itself > subjectively (bill hicks)'. > > the lower self, or ego, is the socialised self. the > person that talks to you in your head. we perceive > ourselves as discrete units at this level. > > > > > [gav] > > you are the potential for others to exist. you are > > fundamentally the awareness that allows anything > to > > exist, everything to exist. this is the meaning of > > tat > > tvam asi - that thou art. > > > > [Krimel] > > My awareness may allow others to exist for me > where > > they would continue to > > exist in the absence of me I can't say but I think > a > > cosmology that denies > > this has an awefull lot so explaining to do. > > gav: it is not your awareness. awareness comes > before > 'you' (the lower self) are abstracted from it. > > > > > [gav] > > the emotion with the highest vibration, i have > been > > told, is gratitude. to be grateful to someone is > to > > be > > most high and happy. in other words by doing > things > > selflessly for others you give them not only the > > gift > > of your service but yourself the inestimable gift > of > > their pure happiness. is this not an analogy for > the > > unity and interconnectedness of life? - to give is > > to > > receive abundantly. > > > > [Krimel] > > I have attempting to a make a point about the > > relation of emotion to our > > perception of meaning so I agree emotions are very > > important. But how does > > one emotion 'vibrate' at a higher level than > > another. What frequencies and > > why is faster better? > > gav: everything is a vibration. this is elementary > physics. the phrase 'getting high' means elevating > your vibrations through cannabis smoking. > the higher the frequency, the higher the energy. > more > energy = more life. > > > [gav] > > if we focus on the quality of experience and not > the > > analysis of experience....this is the discipline > > that > > becomes harder to maintain as we grow older and > more > > full of concepts. the point of life is total > > awareness > > - to be as alive as possible. > > > > [Krimel] > > Flexibility in thinking is not necessarily a > > function of age. How concepts > > are organized and used is at least as important. > > Having more concepts can > > mean seeing newer and higher Quality relationships > > among them. > > gav: i am not talking about flexibility in thinking. > i > am talking about not thinking - about being aware > instead - at one. > > > > > While recognizing the nature of ones experience is > a > > wonderful thing, so is > > being able to ascribe meaning to it. If you are > > really concerning with the > > nature of experience don't you think looking at > how > > your brain and nervous > > systems are configured to process information > would > > be worth looking into? > > William James certainly did. > > gav: useful analogues, yes. > > > > > [gav] > > "the point of life is to live and to live is to > be > > aware - joyously, drunkenly, divinely, serenely > > aware" > > henry miller. > > > > [Krimel] > > Miller is fun to read. He was not very prolific > > though I have only read > > Tropic of Cancer and am savoring the time until I > > pick up another of his. > > Kind of like Kafka who really only wrote three > > books. I have read two of > > them and intentionally wait to read the last one. > > His novels are like dreams > > following loose sets of surreal connections that > > seem plausible and > > implausible at the same time. > > gav: miller was actually extremely prolific, writing > about 30 books. 'capricorn' is amazing as is the > 'sexus', 'plexus', 'nexus' trilogy. 'collosus of > maroussi' is alive with jubilant wisdom. 'wisdom of > the heart' is used as " a spine and a crucifix" by > my > friend tess who takes it everywhere with her. > > i have read kafka's books aswell. i like your > description of his style. kafka said that all you > need > to do is just sit down at your kitchen table (you > don't even need to leave your house) and be quiet > and > the universe will reveal itself in all its majesty. > just wait, patient, aware. > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. 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