(am i helping at all or should i give up?) --- Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [gav] > undivided experience is not *my* experience. it is > just experience. 'my' is a designation that is > applied > to what has already been experienced: the past (and > future) is born. but reality is the cutting edge - T > =0. > > [Krimel] > If you set upon a program to develop the ability to > have such experiences > they are happening to you. You can call it what you > like. But if you do > indeed attain "oneness" with everything does that > clue you in on what I am > doing? > > Again I ask is this an attempt to disengage the self > or to personalize the > Tao? gav: there are two selves: lower and higher. the higher self (or soul) is consciousness itself, awareness. we are all one at this level. ie 'we are all the same consciousness experiencing itself subjectively (bill hicks)'. the lower self, or ego, is the socialised self. the person that talks to you in your head. we perceive ourselves as discrete units at this level. > > [gav] > you are the potential for others to exist. you are > fundamentally the awareness that allows anything to > exist, everything to exist. this is the meaning of > tat > tvam asi - that thou art. > > [Krimel] > My awareness may allow others to exist for me where > they would continue to > exist in the absence of me I can't say but I think a > cosmology that denies > this has an awefull lot so explaining to do. gav: it is not your awareness. awareness comes before 'you' (the lower self) are abstracted from it. > > [gav] > the emotion with the highest vibration, i have been > told, is gratitude. to be grateful to someone is to > be > most high and happy. in other words by doing things > selflessly for others you give them not only the > gift > of your service but yourself the inestimable gift of > their pure happiness. is this not an analogy for the > unity and interconnectedness of life? - to give is > to > receive abundantly. > > [Krimel] > I have attempting to a make a point about the > relation of emotion to our > perception of meaning so I agree emotions are very > important. But how does > one emotion 'vibrate' at a higher level than > another. What frequencies and > why is faster better? gav: everything is a vibration. this is elementary physics. the phrase 'getting high' means elevating your vibrations through cannabis smoking. the higher the frequency, the higher the energy. more energy = more life. > [gav] > if we focus on the quality of experience and not the > analysis of experience....this is the discipline > that > becomes harder to maintain as we grow older and more > full of concepts. the point of life is total > awareness > - to be as alive as possible. > > [Krimel] > Flexibility in thinking is not necessarily a > function of age. How concepts > are organized and used is at least as important. > Having more concepts can > mean seeing newer and higher Quality relationships > among them. gav: i am not talking about flexibility in thinking. i am talking about not thinking - about being aware instead - at one. > > While recognizing the nature of ones experience is a > wonderful thing, so is > being able to ascribe meaning to it. If you are > really concerning with the > nature of experience don't you think looking at how > your brain and nervous > systems are configured to process information would > be worth looking into? > William James certainly did. gav: useful analogues, yes. > > [gav] > "the point of life is to live and to live is to be > aware - joyously, drunkenly, divinely, serenely > aware" > henry miller. > > [Krimel] > Miller is fun to read. He was not very prolific > though I have only read > Tropic of Cancer and am savoring the time until I > pick up another of his. > Kind of like Kafka who really only wrote three > books. I have read two of > them and intentionally wait to read the last one. > His novels are like dreams > following loose sets of surreal connections that > seem plausible and > implausible at the same time. gav: miller was actually extremely prolific, writing about 30 books. 'capricorn' is amazing as is the 'sexus', 'plexus', 'nexus' trilogy. 'collosus of maroussi' is alive with jubilant wisdom. 'wisdom of the heart' is used as " a spine and a crucifix" by my friend tess who takes it everywhere with her. i have read kafka's books aswell. i like your description of his style. kafka said that all you need to do is just sit down at your kitchen table (you don't even need to leave your house) and be quiet and the universe will reveal itself in all its majesty. just wait, patient, aware. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
