Comments below:
> Quoting Dan Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:29:04 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] Mind-body practice
> > >
> > > [Dan]
> > > I agree it's intellectually appealing to learn
> new ideas and to fill our
> > > days chasing empty concepts. I think the MOQ
> says that that takes us away
> > > from Dynamic Quality, however. It doesn't bring
> us closer. Perhaps that is
> > > what the literature on the Tao and Buddhism is
> telling you.
> > >
> > > [Krimel]
> > > Do tell. Where does Pirsig say that the pursuit
> of knowledge takes us away
> > > from Dynamic Quality?
> >
> > "Thought is not a path to reality. It sets
> obstacles in that path because when you
> > try to use thought to approach something that is
> prior to thought your thinking
> > does not carry you toward that something. It
> carries you away from it. To define
> > something is to subordinate it to a tangle of
> intellectual relationships. And when
> > you do that you destroy real understanding."
> >
> > "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove
> oneself from experience but to
> > bring one's self closer to it by eliminating
> stale, confusing, static,
> > intellectual attachments of the past."
> >
> > "While sustaining biological and social patterns
> > Kill all intellectual patterns.
> > Kill them completely
> > And then follow Dynamic Quality
> > And morality will be served."
> >
> > "Strictly speaking, the creation of any
> metaphysics is an immoral act since it's a
> > lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to
> devour a higher mystic one."
>
> [Platt]
> Can anything be clearer? As far as Pirsig is
> concerned, pursuit of knowledge is
> fine as far as it goes. But when it comes to
> reality, it's like a map, computer
> model, equation or measurement that necessarily
> omits a large part of the territory
> including, most notably, the pre-intellectual
> Quality experience.
This is very clear Platt. I agree with you. It
seems when one comes in from a more generalized view,
as you did, particulars can be seen through, as
Superman has x-ray vision and sees through particular
rooms and notices more of the building (such as what's
behind a wall or wall(s). Particulars are coming from
certain points of view, and nothing is wrong with
these particular views. This is why I might be
missing something, but it seems dmb and Krimel are
saying the same thing, but each is coming from a
particular viewpoint and if one steps back and sees
the whole dialogue in general - the jigsaw puzzle
fits. Krimel discusses how chaos is a freedom, as
Platts, where static patterns can place boundaries and
confine the larger chaos (thus, with x-ray vision
Superman is not confined and notices beyond the
walls). dmb discusses how intellect confines, and so
does biological and says psychology and biology come
from direct experience (Quality). Now, how these
views differ, you got me?
woods,
SA
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